"hk" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:38:58 -0400, HK wrote:


You have no duty under the laws of your state to retreat in your house
if you think an intruder is going to harm you or a family member. I'm
not sure you would get the same pass for an outdoor trespasser.

Laws aside, I don't think I'd be wanting to get into a gunfight with two
cops.


I wasn't talking about a gunfight with cops somewhere on Eisboch's
property. I doubt the cops are going to bust into Eisboch's *house*
without a warrant. I guarantee the cops in his town know who lives on his
gentleman's estate.



Why does everybody call this place a "Gentleman's Estate"? That's what the
realtors call it also.

This place isn't any Gentleman's Estate. No Gentlemen live here. Mrs.E.
lives here. I am simply the hired help.

Eisboch

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:52:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Got up at about 4 am this morning because I fell asleep with the TV on and
Keith Olderman's voice droning on and on about Obama's speech woke me up.

Turned on the coffee maker, looked out the window and happened to notice
that several of our outdoor motion detector sensor lights were on, including
those on the old farmhouse at the end of our very long driveway. The
farmhouse is vacant since my mother moved into assisted living, so it was
unusual to see the motion detector sensors had turned the lights on.
Groggy, I figured it was probably an animal .... deer or something that set
them off.

But, then it started to dawn on me that *all* the sensor lights were on.
So, I decided to investigate.

Coffee in hand, I went outside and started walking down the long, 800 foot
driveway towards the old farmhouse. It was still pitch black.... other than
where the lights were shining.

Halfway there, I noticed a moving light at the rear door of the farmhouse
barn. The rear door was open, and the light disappeared into the barn.

I put the coffee cup down and went into stealth mode. Snuck up on the
house, first noting that no car was in the driveway.
So, I quietly snuck around back again and hid behind the trunk of the huge
silver maple tree at the rear of the house.

By this time I am thinking, "This is stupid. What if the person in the
barn is armed?" I looked around in the dark for anything I could use as a
makeshift weapon .... piece of wood .... anything, but there was nothing.

As I pondered the situation, the light re-appeared from the barn. So, I
jumped out from behind the tree and roared as loudly as I could, "What the
hell's going on?" and started moving towards the light, adrenalin pumping.

A voice in the dark replied, "****!" ..... then another voice called out to
me ... Then, out of the dark, two cops, dressed in black, one holding the
lease of a beautiful, but threatening black German Shepard came towards me.

I identified myself as the home owner and had seen unusual lights. Turns
out they were tracking a car thief operating in the neighborhood and the dog
had led them to our property.

Searched all around until dawn, but didn't find him. My heart has finally
stopped racing.


Eisboch


At least you know the sensors are working!

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:38:58 -0400, HK wrote:


You have no duty under the laws of your state to retreat in your house
if you think an intruder is going to harm you or a family member. I'm
not sure you would get the same pass for an outdoor trespasser.
Laws aside, I don't think I'd be wanting to get into a gunfight with two
cops.

I wasn't talking about a gunfight with cops somewhere on Eisboch's
property. I doubt the cops are going to bust into Eisboch's *house*
without a warrant. I guarantee the cops in his town know who lives on his
gentleman's estate.



Why does everybody call this place a "Gentleman's Estate"? That's what the
realtors call it also.

This place isn't any Gentleman's Estate. No Gentlemen live here. Mrs.E.
lives here. I am simply the hired help.

Eisboch




Right. Of course. You got it.


--
No way, no how, no McCain!

wrote:
Laws aside, I don't think I'd be wanting to get into a gunfight with two
cops.

Quite true, With few exceptions most cops are lousy shots. UD

UglyDan®©™ wrote:
wrote:
Laws aside, I don't think I'd be wanting to get into a gunfight with two
cops.

Quite true, With few exceptions most cops are lousy shots. UD







I don't know how well "all" cops shoot, but most of the ones I see at
the two indoor ranges I frequent are awful shots and apparently are only
at the range because a trip there every so often is required.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Got up at about 4 am this morning because I fell asleep with the TV on and
Keith Olderman's voice droning on and on about Obama's speech woke me up.

Turned on the coffee maker, looked out the window and happened to notice
that several of our outdoor motion detector sensor lights were on,
including those on the old farmhouse at the end of our very long driveway.
The farmhouse is vacant since my mother moved into assisted living, so it
was unusual to see the motion detector sensors had turned the lights on.
Groggy, I figured it was probably an animal .... deer or something that
set them off.

But, then it started to dawn on me that *all* the sensor lights were on.
So, I decided to investigate.

Coffee in hand, I went outside and started walking down the long, 800 foot
driveway towards the old farmhouse. It was still pitch black.... other
than where the lights were shining.

Halfway there, I noticed a moving light at the rear door of the farmhouse
barn. The rear door was open, and the light disappeared into the barn.

I put the coffee cup down and went into stealth mode. Snuck up on the
house, first noting that no car was in the driveway.
So, I quietly snuck around back again and hid behind the trunk of the huge
silver maple tree at the rear of the house.

By this time I am thinking, "This is stupid. What if the person in the
barn is armed?" I looked around in the dark for anything I could use as
a makeshift weapon .... piece of wood .... anything, but there was
nothing.

As I pondered the situation, the light re-appeared from the barn. So, I
jumped out from behind the tree and roared as loudly as I could, "What the
hell's going on?" and started moving towards the light, adrenalin
pumping.

A voice in the dark replied, "****!" ..... then another voice called out
to me ... Then, out of the dark, two cops, dressed in black, one holding
the lease of a beautiful, but threatening black German Shepard came
towards me.

I identified myself as the home owner and had seen unusual lights. Turns
out they were tracking a car thief operating in the neighborhood and the
dog had led them to our property.

Searched all around until dawn, but didn't find him. My heart has
finally stopped racing.


Eisboch

Dog was probably attracted to the smelly horses.

(hk) wrote:
I don't know how well "all" cops shoot, but most of the ones I see at
the two indoor ranges I frequent are awful shots and apparently are only
at the range because a trip there every so often is required.


Exactly, Most cops tend to think of their sidearm as just another piece
of equipment they have to carry along with baton, cuffs, flashlight
etc.. and only use it for qualification every 6 months. I do RSO +
Instructor at two different outdoor ranges, and do signoffs on alot of
the targets for them, Its depressing watching most of them shoot.
Then again there's always the exception, One of the best rifle and
pistol shooters I know is a retired cop.
You do know shooting at indoor ranges isn't exactly healthy. I avoid
them like the plague.

FRONT SIGHT- FRONT SIGHT! UD

UglyDan®©™ wrote:
(hk) wrote:
I don't know how well "all" cops shoot, but most of the ones I see at
the two indoor ranges I frequent are awful shots and apparently are only
at the range because a trip there every so often is required.


Exactly, Most cops tend to think of their sidearm as just another piece
of equipment they have to carry along with baton, cuffs, flashlight
etc.. and only use it for qualification every 6 months. I do RSO +
Instructor at two different outdoor ranges, and do signoffs on alot of
the targets for them, Its depressing watching most of them shoot.
Then again there's always the exception, One of the best rifle and
pistol shooters I know is a retired cop.
You do know shooting at indoor ranges isn't exactly healthy. I avoid
them like the plague.

FRONT SIGHT- FRONT SIGHT! UD





I "hit" the indoor ranges mostly in the winter, when the outdoor ranges
are too damned cold.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:52:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

By this time I am thinking, "This is stupid. What if the person in the
barn is armed?" I looked around in the dark for anything I could use as a
makeshift weapon .... piece of wood .... anything, but there was nothing.

Every nearly every farmer has a shotgun, traditionally a 12 gauge
double on nails over the kitchen door, handy to the barnyard and any
chicken hawks. Even in the Soviet Union at its most repressive,
farmers had a shotgun. Better get one. A pump or semiauto is good.

Casady

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:52:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

By this time I am thinking, "This is stupid. What if the person in the
barn is armed?" I looked around in the dark for anything I could use as
a
makeshift weapon .... piece of wood .... anything, but there was nothing.

Every nearly every farmer has a shotgun, traditionally a 12 gauge
double on nails over the kitchen door, handy to the barnyard and any
chicken hawks. Even in the Soviet Union at its most repressive,
farmers had a shotgun. Better get one. A pump or semiauto is good.

Casady


Obviously you didn't read my entire post.
Have one, but thanks for the advice.

Eisboch