On Aug 31, 9:59*am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 30, 9:53 am, hk wrote:
Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.
This isn't Texas, after all.

When I discussed a threat we had received with our local sheriff, he was
very clear that I couldn't legally just shoot at the "perp" if he was on
the property, but he was equally clear that if the "perp" busted in the
door or even tried to do so, I could blow the idiot away with my 12
gauge. When I asked about "retreat," the sheriff said, "Retreat to
where? A bedroom?" and then he laughed.- Hide quoted text -

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Wow, then your sherrif is a ****ing idiot... A friend teaches a course
on handguns and specifically when to use "deadly force" and one of the
main things is to retreat to a safe area and warn the perp, if he
comes that way..

Tell us, oh highly educated and experienced man of the world, just what
*is* a "safe area" in a modern frame house? In a bedroom behind a hollow
core door? In most modern houses, even a short little schitt like you
could kick open an interior door in about five seconds.

Unless you have a hardened "safe room" in your house, there is no "safe"
area.

If someone has busted in my front door, he is going to be face to face
with the flash of a 12 gauge shotgun.- Hide quoted text -

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Wafa.. but anyway, for the benefit of those who are not totally full
of ****....

He said since out bedrooms were upstairs we should take cover up there
and yell down that 911 had been called, all of the valuables like tv
and such were down there and if they came up the stairs, they would be
met with deadly force... I won't bother with your response as my is
true, yours is obviously based on some Lobsta' boat fantasy. You don't
go chasing a burglar, most don't have guns anyway and are counting on
getting in and out without detection... Once "detected" they will
usually run like hell...

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On Aug 31, 9:59 am, hk wrote:


He said since out bedrooms were upstairs we should take cover up there
and yell down that 911 had been called, all of the valuables like tv
and such were down there and if they came up the stairs, they would be
met with deadly force... I won't bother with your response as my is
true, yours is obviously based on some Lobsta' boat fantasy. You don't
go chasing a burglar, most don't have guns anyway and are counting on
getting in and out without detection... Once "detected" they will
usually run like hell...


So your upstairs bedrooms are "safe areas," eh? Idiot.

wrote:
On Aug 31, 9:59 am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 30, 9:53 am, hk wrote:
Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.
This isn't Texas, after all.
When I discussed a threat we had received with our local sheriff, he was
very clear that I couldn't legally just shoot at the "perp" if he was on
the property, but he was equally clear that if the "perp" busted in the
door or even tried to do so, I could blow the idiot away with my 12
gauge. When I asked about "retreat," the sheriff said, "Retreat to
where? A bedroom?" and then he laughed.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Wow, then your sherrif is a ****ing idiot... A friend teaches a course
on handguns and specifically when to use "deadly force" and one of the
main things is to retreat to a safe area and warn the perp, if he
comes that way..
Tell us, oh highly educated and experienced man of the world, just what
*is* a "safe area" in a modern frame house? In a bedroom behind a hollow
core door? In most modern houses, even a short little schitt like you
could kick open an interior door in about five seconds.

Unless you have a hardened "safe room" in your house, there is no "safe"
area.

If someone has busted in my front door, he is going to be face to face
with the flash of a 12 gauge shotgun.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wafa.. but anyway, for the benefit of those who are not totally full
of ****....

He said since out bedrooms were upstairs we should take cover up there
and yell down that 911 had been called, all of the valuables like tv
and such were down there and if they came up the stairs, they would be
met with deadly force... I won't bother with your response as my is
true, yours is obviously based on some Lobsta' boat fantasy. You don't
go chasing a burglar, most don't have guns anyway and are counting on
getting in and out without detection... Once "detected" they will
usually run like hell...

Just,
Have you ever wondered why Harry seems so obsessed with you?

On Aug 31, 10:21*am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 31, 9:59 am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 30, 9:53 am, hk wrote:
Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.

On Aug 31, 10:21*am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 31, 9:59 am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 30, 9:53 am, hk wrote:
Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.

CalifBill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Anyway, some of you have firearms for protection.. What do you think
is safer:
Retreat, call 911 and warn the perp that he could get shot?
or
Run downstaris totally out of cover and hope to reach the first floor
before some asshole blows your balls off or you end up in a gunfight
with some little kid...??

I would love for someone who has had training to make the call
here...

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I knew a guy who was an advanced level martial arts blackbelt. He taught
several of the popular self defense techniques or styles.

His first line of defense and advice to be used against any aggressive
intruder with a gun was, "Run like hell".

Personally, I don't like guns, even though I own a shotgun. If I were
forced to use it, I would, but not before several warnings to an intruder
to get the hell out and only if I felt that my wife or I were in immediate
physical danger.

If the intruder is unarmed, I'd use a bit of old Navy training learned
while standing Shore Patrol duty. (sorry Harry). I keep one of those
short aluminum bats (used by fishermen to knock a big fish senseless)
handy in the house. A solid whack with it applied to the shins of just
about anybody will usually cause them to crumple to the floor in pain.
Unless they are drunk. Causes no permanent damage, but grown men have
been known to sit on the ground, bawling their eyes out after a good
thunk!


Eisboch


Best advice ever was from a sheriff in KY. He taught a home defense course
for women. If there was a intruder in the house call 911. Then turn on
your bedroom light and get behind the bed and bench rest your firearm
pointed at the door. Do not say a word! 99.99% of the time the perp will
turn and run. If they advance into the room, shoot them twice. Do not get
up and see if the guy is dead, or seriously wounded. Or even a flesh wound.
The cops will be there very shortly and if needed will break down the front
door. They will put the diagnosis on the bad guy. And do not feel bad about
shooting him. He deserved it, and had a chance to run.




The response oft is determined by where you are when the break-in
occurs. and what is handy for defense. Anyone breaking into my house is
going to make a considerable amount of noise, and it is a different sort
of noise than the cats make in their nocturnal prowling.

Further, even coming onto the property near the house is going to turn
on a number of floodlights controlled by motion detectors, and the light
from those floods is visible inside the house.

What I am not going to do is get close enough to a perp to swing an
aluminum baseball bat at him. He's either going to meet Mr. 12 gauge or
a magazine loaded with 19 SPEER GoldDots.

On Aug 31, 2:51*pm, hk wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...
wrote in message
....

Anyway, some of you have firearms for protection.. What do you think
is safer:
Retreat, call 911 and warn the perp that he could get shot?
or
Run downstaris totally out of cover and hope to reach the first floor
before some asshole blows your balls off or you end up in a gunfight
with some little kid...??

I would love for someone who has had training to make the call
here...

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I knew a guy who was an advanced level martial arts blackbelt. *He taught
several of the popular self defense techniques or styles.

His first line of defense and advice to be used against any aggressive
intruder with a gun was, "Run like hell".

Personally, I don't like guns, even though I own a shotgun. * *If I were
forced to use it, I would, but not before several warnings to an intruder
to get the hell out and only if I felt that my wife or I were in immediate
physical danger.

If the intruder is unarmed, I'd use a bit of old Navy training learned
while standing Shore Patrol duty. *(sorry Harry). * I keep one of those
short aluminum bats (used by fishermen to knock a big fish senseless)
handy in the house. * A solid whack with it applied to the shins of just
about anybody will usually cause them to crumple to the floor in pain.
Unless they are drunk. *Causes no permanent damage, but grown men have
been known to sit on the ground, bawling their eyes out after a good
thunk!

Eisboch

Best advice ever was from a sheriff in KY. *He taught a home defense course
for women. *If there was a intruder in the house call 911. *Then turn on
your bedroom light and get behind the bed and bench rest your firearm
pointed at the door. *Do not say a word! * 99.99% of the time the perp will
turn and run. *If they advance into the room, shoot them twice. *Do not get
up and see if the guy is dead, or seriously wounded. *Or even a flesh wound.
The cops will be there very shortly and if needed will break down the front
door. They will put the diagnosis on the bad guy. *And do not feel bad about
shooting him. *He deserved it, and had a chance to run.

The response oft is determined by where you are when the break-in
occurs. and what is handy for defense. Anyone breaking into my house is
going to make a considerable amount of noise, and it is a different sort
of noise than the cats make in their nocturnal prowling.

Further, even coming onto the property near the house is going to turn
on a number of floodlights controlled by motion detectors, and the light
from those floods is visible inside the house.

What I am not going to do is get close enough to a perp to swing an
aluminum baseball bat at him. He's either going to meet Mr. 12 gauge or
a magazine loaded with 19 SPEER GoldDots.- Hide quoted text -

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Lobsta' boat.. he would find you hiding behind your wife with soiled
pants most likely

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On Aug 31, 2:51 pm, hk wrote:


Lobsta' boat.. he would find you hiding behind your wife with soiled
pants most likely



Uh-huh. I'll tell you what I would not do. I would not get into an
argument with a cop that resulted in me being pushed down stairs, as you
did.

Oh..wait...you caught yourself on the stair railing. That makes it ok.

"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
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On Aug 31, 10:43 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

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Anyway, some of you have firearms for protection.. What do you think
is safer:
Retreat, call 911 and warn the perp that he could get shot?
or
Run downstaris totally out of cover and hope to reach the first floor
before some asshole blows your balls off or you end up in a gunfight
with some little kid...??

I would love for someone who has had training to make the call
here...

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I knew a guy who was an advanced level martial arts blackbelt. He taught
several of the popular self defense techniques or styles.

His first line of defense and advice to be used against any aggressive
intruder with a gun was, "Run like hell".

Personally, I don't like guns, even though I own a shotgun. If I were
forced to use it, I would, but not before several warnings to an
intruder to
get the hell out and only if I felt that my wife or I were in immediate
physical danger.

If the intruder is unarmed, I'd use a bit of old Navy training learned
while
standing Shore Patrol duty. (sorry Harry). I keep one of those short
aluminum bats (used by fishermen to knock a big fish senseless) handy in
the house. A solid whack with it applied to the shins of just about
anybody will usually cause them to crumple to the floor in pain. Unless
they are drunk. Causes no permanent damage, but grown men have been
known
to sit on the ground, bawling their eyes out after a good thunk!

Eisboch

You are absolutely correct. I teach people all of the time that the
best defense is to AVOID a confrontation.

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Say what? Aren't you the guy who was willing to travel all over the US
to have a dust-up with anyone who irritated you?



Don,
So what is your feeling about mandatory abortions for parents whose child
is less than perfect? My guess is you would have had to abort your kids.


Go **** yourself asshole!
Looks like you would have been a good candidate for abortion.

On Aug 31, 3:57*pm, "Don White" wrote:
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Don White wrote:
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On Aug 31, 10:43 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

....

Anyway, some of you have firearms for protection.. What do you think
is safer:
Retreat, call 911 and warn the perp that he could get shot?
or
Run downstaris totally out of cover and hope to reach the first floor
before some asshole blows your balls off or you end up in a gunfight
with some little kid...??

I would love for someone who has had training to make the call
here...

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I knew a guy who was an advanced level martial arts blackbelt. He taught
several of the popular self defense techniques or styles.

His first line of defense and advice to be used against any aggressive
intruder with a gun was, "Run like hell".

Personally, I don't like guns, even though I own a shotgun. If I were
forced to use it, I would, but not before several warnings to an
intruder to
get the hell out and only if I felt that my wife or I were in immediate
physical danger.

If the intruder is unarmed, I'd use a bit of old Navy training learned
while
standing Shore Patrol duty. (sorry Harry). I keep one of those short
aluminum bats (used by fishermen to knock a big fish senseless) handy in
the house. A solid whack with it applied to the shins of just about
anybody will usually cause them to crumple to the floor in pain. Unless
they are drunk. Causes no permanent damage, but grown men have been
known
to sit on the ground, bawling their eyes out after a good thunk!

Eisboch

You are absolutely correct. I teach people all of the time that the
best defense is to AVOID a confrontation.

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Say what? *Aren't you the guy who was willing to travel all over the US
to have a dust-up with anyone who irritated you?

Don,
So what is your feeling about mandatory abortions for parents whose child
is less than perfect? *My guess is you would have had to abort your kids.

Go **** yourself asshole!
Looks like you would have been a good candidate for abortion.- Hide quoted text -

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Ouch, seems like the trolls are getting frustrated and vulgar again..