HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"harry krause" wrote in message
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
From Docksider Reports:
I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers.
Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.


Only an inexperienced boater would believe that the splash guard on a
small outboard boat is going to keep water off the deck.

Come on Harry. You know as well as the rest of us that there's a big
difference between a splash guard and an engine well.

Eisboch



I've seen engine wells on boats larger than mine that hold about two
quarts of water and would not stop any significant "splash" come over
the transom.

That would not make them engine wells. Try again.

On Dec 12, 12:59 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
From Docksider Reports:

http://www.docksidereports.com/small...ety_at_sea.htm

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Generally speaking, small boats such as outboards are far less sea
worthy than larger boats because:

The transoms are either wide open or cut down.
The cockpits are wide open, the freeboards are lower.
They have smaller and fewer bilge pumps, often only one.
They have smaller and fewer batteries.
Cockpit decks are not water tight.
Control cables have holes in liners that allow a lot of water entry.
Outboards have all the engine weight at the stern, making them stern
heavy.
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Further on, same source:

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Were I a lawyer, I could make a hell of a good legal argument that
boats that meet this description are not seaworthy to be out in the
ocean. But hundreds of them are out there every day and only a handful
of them meet with calamity. So why don't more of them founder? Mainly
due to dumb luck. It takes the right circumstances at the right time
to create the disaster. Like that loose bilge pump wire I mentioned
earlier.

One of those circumstances is when the fisherman stops and puts his
stern to the waves. Water is sloshing over the transom and what he is
not realizing is that the bilge is slowly filling up with water
through all those holes and leaks. It doesn't take much water in the
bilge before the hull looses enough buoyancy that one bigger wave
comes over the transom and fills up the cockpit. At this point, the
sheer weight of the water has turned moderate leakage into the hull
into cascades of water. The hull is now even lower in the water and
the next wave is the coup de gras.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be careful out there, especially the LTs among us.

I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers.
Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty
foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference...

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers.
Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty
foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference...

Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like
70 or 80 sq ft of working area ?

On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers.
Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty
foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference...

Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like
70 or 80 sq ft of working area ?

Not really. The ratio of internal structure is much higher in a
smaller boat. Yaimkool, http://www.yaimkool.com my 16 foot by 6 1/2
foot flat bottom skiff is built around a fiberglass and plywood
laminated transom connected to two 2 x 6 floor stringers. Inside the
hull this is all tied into rear seat boxes that reach 52 inches
forward of the transom inside the hull. I might have been able to make
the seats a little shorter, but I need room for triangulation in the
seat framework, and room for flotation too. There is also a thwart
midships which is more for lateral structure (and flotation) than it
is for seating. Lot's of folks ask why I did not leave it out for more
floor space, but that thwart is critical to the boats structural
integerity, as are the thwarts in most smaller boats, say under 20
feet. Likewise the front seat adds crossmembers and another good
triangle in the hull, and provides stiffness to the bow. Triangles are
good, you will see them all over the inside of most smaller wooden
boats.
Anyway, after all that, and remembering that I probably went a little
overboard as the intended owner was going to put a huge engine on the
rear end, I end up with a little over 21 square feet of floor space.
My seating however is big enough to use as casting decks.

wrote:
On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers.
Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty
foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference...
Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like
70 or 80 sq ft of working area ?

Not really. The ratio of internal structure is much higher in a
smaller boat. Yaimkool, http://www.yaimkool.com my 16 foot by 6 1/2
foot flat bottom skiff is built around a fiberglass and plywood
laminated transom connected to two 2 x 6 floor stringers. Inside the
hull this is all tied into rear seat boxes that reach 52 inches
forward of the transom inside the hull. I might have been able to make
the seats a little shorter, but I need room for triangulation in the
seat framework, and room for flotation too. There is also a thwart
midships which is more for lateral structure (and flotation) than it
is for seating. Lot's of folks ask why I did not leave it out for more
floor space, but that thwart is critical to the boats structural
integerity, as are the thwarts in most smaller boats, say under 20
feet. Likewise the front seat adds crossmembers and another good
triangle in the hull, and provides stiffness to the bow. Triangles are
good, you will see them all over the inside of most smaller wooden
boats.
Anyway, after all that, and remembering that I probably went a little
overboard as the intended owner was going to put a huge engine on the
rear end, I end up with a little over 21 square feet of floor space.
My seating however is big enough to use as casting decks.



A 20' with a 6' beam?

Wayne is familiar with Pangas?

My 21' boat has an 8'6" beam.


The engine well isn't there because the people who buy these boats don't
want them. What a d'oh.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:10:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Yaimkool, http://www.yaimkool.com my 16 foot by 6 1/2
foot flat bottom skiff

Yaimkool?

Gesundheit!!

On Dec 12, 5:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST),


Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like
70 or 80 sq ft of working area ?


depends on if it's a cuddie or an open bow..

?:

wrote:
On Dec 12, 12:59 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
From Docksider Reports:
http://www.docksidereports.com/small...ety_at_sea.htm
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Generally speaking, small boats such as outboards are far less sea
worthy than larger boats because:
The transoms are either wide open or cut down.
The cockpits are wide open, the freeboards are lower.
They have smaller and fewer bilge pumps, often only one.
They have smaller and fewer batteries.
Cockpit decks are not water tight.
Control cables have holes in liners that allow a lot of water entry.
Outboards have all the engine weight at the stern, making them stern
heavy.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Further on, same source:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Were I a lawyer, I could make a hell of a good legal argument that
boats that meet this description are not seaworthy to be out in the
ocean. But hundreds of them are out there every day and only a handful
of them meet with calamity. So why don't more of them founder? Mainly
due to dumb luck. It takes the right circumstances at the right time
to create the disaster. Like that loose bilge pump wire I mentioned
earlier.
One of those circumstances is when the fisherman stops and puts his
stern to the waves. Water is sloshing over the transom and what he is
not realizing is that the bilge is slowly filling up with water
through all those holes and leaks. It doesn't take much water in the
bilge before the hull looses enough buoyancy that one bigger wave
comes over the transom and fills up the cockpit. At this point, the
sheer weight of the water has turned moderate leakage into the hull
into cascades of water. The hull is now even lower in the water and
the next wave is the coup de gras.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Be careful out there, especially the LTs among us.
I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers.
Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty
foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference...


My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who ordered
it with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed it. They're
just not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine they boat on Lake
LAnier with imaginary boats.

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 12, 12:59 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
From Docksider Reports:
http://www.docksidereports.com/small...ety_at_sea.htm
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Generally speaking, small boats such as outboards are far less sea
worthy than larger boats because:
The transoms are either wide open or cut down.
The cockpits are wide open, the freeboards are lower.
They have smaller and fewer bilge pumps, often only one.
They have smaller and fewer batteries.
Cockpit decks are not water tight.
Control cables have holes in liners that allow a lot of water entry.
Outboards have all the engine weight at the stern, making them stern
heavy.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Further on, same source:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Were I a lawyer, I could make a hell of a good legal argument that
boats that meet this description are not seaworthy to be out in the
ocean. But hundreds of them are out there every day and only a handful
of them meet with calamity. So why don't more of them founder? Mainly
due to dumb luck. It takes the right circumstances at the right time
to create the disaster. Like that loose bilge pump wire I mentioned
earlier.
One of those circumstances is when the fisherman stops and puts his
stern to the waves. Water is sloshing over the transom and what he is
not realizing is that the bilge is slowly filling up with water
through all those holes and leaks. It doesn't take much water in the
bilge before the hull looses enough buoyancy that one bigger wave
comes over the transom and fills up the cockpit. At this point, the
sheer weight of the water has turned moderate leakage into the hull
into cascades of water. The hull is now even lower in the water and
the next wave is the coup de gras.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be careful out there, especially the LTs among us.
I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers.
Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that
expensive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty
foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference...


My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who ordered
it with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed it. They're
just not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine they boat on Lake
LAnier with imaginary boats.

Harry, Do you even know what an engine well is?

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 12, 12:59 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
From Docksider Reports:
http://www.docksidereports.com/small...ety_at_sea.htm
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Generally speaking, small boats such as outboards are far less sea
worthy than larger boats because:
The transoms are either wide open or cut down.
The cockpits are wide open, the freeboards are lower.
They have smaller and fewer bilge pumps, often only one.
They have smaller and fewer batteries.
Cockpit decks are not water tight.
Control cables have holes in liners that allow a lot of water entry.
Outboards have all the engine weight at the stern, making them stern
heavy.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Further on, same source:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Were I a lawyer, I could make a hell of a good legal argument that
boats that meet this description are not seaworthy to be out in the
ocean. But hundreds of them are out there every day and only a handful
of them meet with calamity. So why don't more of them founder? Mainly
due to dumb luck. It takes the right circumstances at the right time
to create the disaster. Like that loose bilge pump wire I mentioned
earlier.
One of those circumstances is when the fisherman stops and puts his
stern to the waves. Water is sloshing over the transom and what he is
not realizing is that the bilge is slowly filling up with water
through all those holes and leaks. It doesn't take much water in the
bilge before the hull looses enough buoyancy that one bigger wave
comes over the transom and fills up the cockpit. At this point, the
sheer weight of the water has turned moderate leakage into the hull
into cascades of water. The hull is now even lower in the water and
the next wave is the coup de gras.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be careful out there, especially the LTs among us.
I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers.
Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that
expensive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty
foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference...


My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who ordered
it with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed it. They're
just not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine they boat on
Lake LAnier with imaginary boats.

Harry, Do you even know what an engine well is?



Sure, Reggie... I play with actual boats. You, of course, google them.