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Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited
On Dec 12, 10:23 pm, HK wrote:
wrote: On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST), wrote: I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers. Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference... Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like 70 or 80 sq ft of working area ? Not really. The ratio of internal structure is much higher in a smaller boat. Yaimkool,http://www.yaimkool.commy 16 foot by 6 1/2 foot flat bottom skiff is built around a fiberglass and plywood laminated transom connected to two 2 x 6 floor stringers. Inside the hull this is all tied into rear seat boxes that reach 52 inches forward of the transom inside the hull. I might have been able to make the seats a little shorter, but I need room for triangulation in the seat framework, and room for flotation too. There is also a thwart midships which is more for lateral structure (and flotation) than it is for seating. Lot's of folks ask why I did not leave it out for more floor space, but that thwart is critical to the boats structural integerity, as are the thwarts in most smaller boats, say under 20 feet. Likewise the front seat adds crossmembers and another good triangle in the hull, and provides stiffness to the bow. Triangles are good, you will see them all over the inside of most smaller wooden boats. Anyway, after all that, and remembering that I probably went a little overboard as the intended owner was going to put a huge engine on the rear end, I end up with a little over 21 square feet of floor space. My seating however is big enough to use as casting decks. A 20' with a 6' beam? Wayne is familiar with Pangas? My 21' boat has an 8'6" beam. The engine well isn't there because the people who buy these boats don't want them. What a d'oh.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A traditional New England semi dory of twenty feet would not be out of place with a 6 foot beam.. |
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Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited
William Bruce wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:33:28 -0500, HK wrote: It doesn't bother me when the newsgroup "snarks" attempt to pile on. What does your Oxford English Dictionary have to say about the definition of "snark" ? There is a risk that by over using certain words, they will lose their impact. It says, "c.f., Wayne B. or Reggie the A**hole." I want to know what c.f. stands for. |
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Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited
HK wrote:
wrote: On Dec 12, 10:23 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST), wrote: I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers. Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference... Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like 70 or 80 sq ft of working area ? Not really. The ratio of internal structure is much higher in a smaller boat. Yaimkool,http://www.yaimkool.commy 16 foot by 6 1/2 foot flat bottom skiff is built around a fiberglass and plywood laminated transom connected to two 2 x 6 floor stringers. Inside the hull this is all tied into rear seat boxes that reach 52 inches forward of the transom inside the hull. I might have been able to make the seats a little shorter, but I need room for triangulation in the seat framework, and room for flotation too. There is also a thwart midships which is more for lateral structure (and flotation) than it is for seating. Lot's of folks ask why I did not leave it out for more floor space, but that thwart is critical to the boats structural integerity, as are the thwarts in most smaller boats, say under 20 feet. Likewise the front seat adds crossmembers and another good triangle in the hull, and provides stiffness to the bow. Triangles are good, you will see them all over the inside of most smaller wooden boats. Anyway, after all that, and remembering that I probably went a little overboard as the intended owner was going to put a huge engine on the rear end, I end up with a little over 21 square feet of floor space. My seating however is big enough to use as casting decks. A 20' with a 6' beam? Wayne is familiar with Pangas? My 21' boat has an 8'6" beam. The engine well isn't there because the people who buy these boats don't want them. What a d'oh.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A traditional New England semi dory of twenty feet would not be out of place with a 6 foot beam.. That's very true. Gosh, they had notched transoms, too. Of all the "boat" discussions we have had here since the demise of Skipper, this one has to be the dumbest, and perpetrated by a couple of people who should know better and a few who are dumb and lacking in boat knowledge as white toast. One of the most popular boats in Florida is the Carolina Skiff. They're everywhere, inshore and offshore. Not only do they have no motor well or splashboard, they have low sides. Maybe Whine and Reggie should start a patrol to warn the owners of these boats they are putting their lives on the line. Harry, You need to look at Carolina Skiff again. The mfg'er of the boats doesn't consider the boats with a hole in the transom an offshore boat. The boat they candider an offshore boat have a high transom and a engine well. They specifically make a boat for inshore fishing and one for offshore fishing. This really is no big deal because you only use your boat in the bay. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 12, 10:23 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST), wrote: I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers. Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference... Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like 70 or 80 sq ft of working area ? Not really. The ratio of internal structure is much higher in a smaller boat. Yaimkool,http://www.yaimkool.commy 16 foot by 6 1/2 foot flat bottom skiff is built around a fiberglass and plywood laminated transom connected to two 2 x 6 floor stringers. Inside the hull this is all tied into rear seat boxes that reach 52 inches forward of the transom inside the hull. I might have been able to make the seats a little shorter, but I need room for triangulation in the seat framework, and room for flotation too. There is also a thwart midships which is more for lateral structure (and flotation) than it is for seating. Lot's of folks ask why I did not leave it out for more floor space, but that thwart is critical to the boats structural integerity, as are the thwarts in most smaller boats, say under 20 feet. Likewise the front seat adds crossmembers and another good triangle in the hull, and provides stiffness to the bow. Triangles are good, you will see them all over the inside of most smaller wooden boats. Anyway, after all that, and remembering that I probably went a little overboard as the intended owner was going to put a huge engine on the rear end, I end up with a little over 21 square feet of floor space. My seating however is big enough to use as casting decks. A 20' with a 6' beam? Wayne is familiar with Pangas? My 21' boat has an 8'6" beam. The engine well isn't there because the people who buy these boats don't want them. What a d'oh.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A traditional New England semi dory of twenty feet would not be out of place with a 6 foot beam.. That's very true. Gosh, they had notched transoms, too. Of all the "boat" discussions we have had here since the demise of Skipper, this one has to be the dumbest, and perpetrated by a couple of people who should know better and a few who are dumb and lacking in boat knowledge as white toast. One of the most popular boats in Florida is the Carolina Skiff. They're everywhere, inshore and offshore. Not only do they have no motor well or splashboard, they have low sides. Maybe Whine and Reggie should start a patrol to warn the owners of these boats they are putting their lives on the line. Harry, You need to look at Carolina Skiff again. The mfg'er of the boats doesn't consider the boats with a hole in the transom an offshore boat. The boat they candider an offshore boat have a high transom and a engine well. They specifically make a boat for inshore fishing and one for offshore fishing. This really is no big deal because you only use your boat in the bay. Carolina Skiffs are found all over Florida, inshore and offshore. They have no motorwell or splashboard. I've seen them 20-30 miles offshore on good weather days, and running the rough inlets, where the conditions would make a dickstick like you soil your shorts. You really know nothing. |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 12, 10:23 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST), wrote: I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers. Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference... Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like 70 or 80 sq ft of working area ? Not really. The ratio of internal structure is much higher in a smaller boat. Yaimkool,http://www.yaimkool.commy 16 foot by 6 1/2 foot flat bottom skiff is built around a fiberglass and plywood laminated transom connected to two 2 x 6 floor stringers. Inside the hull this is all tied into rear seat boxes that reach 52 inches forward of the transom inside the hull. I might have been able to make the seats a little shorter, but I need room for triangulation in the seat framework, and room for flotation too. There is also a thwart midships which is more for lateral structure (and flotation) than it is for seating. Lot's of folks ask why I did not leave it out for more floor space, but that thwart is critical to the boats structural integerity, as are the thwarts in most smaller boats, say under 20 feet. Likewise the front seat adds crossmembers and another good triangle in the hull, and provides stiffness to the bow. Triangles are good, you will see them all over the inside of most smaller wooden boats. Anyway, after all that, and remembering that I probably went a little overboard as the intended owner was going to put a huge engine on the rear end, I end up with a little over 21 square feet of floor space. My seating however is big enough to use as casting decks. A 20' with a 6' beam? Wayne is familiar with Pangas? My 21' boat has an 8'6" beam. The engine well isn't there because the people who buy these boats don't want them. What a d'oh.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A traditional New England semi dory of twenty feet would not be out of place with a 6 foot beam.. That's very true. Gosh, they had notched transoms, too. Of all the "boat" discussions we have had here since the demise of Skipper, this one has to be the dumbest, and perpetrated by a couple of people who should know better and a few who are dumb and lacking in boat knowledge as white toast. One of the most popular boats in Florida is the Carolina Skiff. They're everywhere, inshore and offshore. Not only do they have no motor well or splashboard, they have low sides. Maybe Whine and Reggie should start a patrol to warn the owners of these boats they are putting their lives on the line. Harry, You need to look at Carolina Skiff again. The mfg'er of the boats doesn't consider the boats with a hole in the transom an offshore boat. The boat they candider an offshore boat have a high transom and a engine well. They specifically make a boat for inshore fishing and one for offshore fishing. This really is no big deal because you only use your boat in the bay. Carolina Skiffs are found all over Florida, inshore and offshore. They have no motorwell or splashboard. I've seen them 20-30 miles offshore on good weather days, and running the rough inlets, where the conditions would make a dickstick like you soil your shorts. You really know nothing. Harry, I hate to tell you this, but I have been much further offshore than you. |
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Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 12, 10:23 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST), wrote: I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers. Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference... Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like 70 or 80 sq ft of working area ? Not really. The ratio of internal structure is much higher in a smaller boat. Yaimkool,http://www.yaimkool.commy 16 foot by 6 1/2 foot flat bottom skiff is built around a fiberglass and plywood laminated transom connected to two 2 x 6 floor stringers. Inside the hull this is all tied into rear seat boxes that reach 52 inches forward of the transom inside the hull. I might have been able to make the seats a little shorter, but I need room for triangulation in the seat framework, and room for flotation too. There is also a thwart midships which is more for lateral structure (and flotation) than it is for seating. Lot's of folks ask why I did not leave it out for more floor space, but that thwart is critical to the boats structural integerity, as are the thwarts in most smaller boats, say under 20 feet. Likewise the front seat adds crossmembers and another good triangle in the hull, and provides stiffness to the bow. Triangles are good, you will see them all over the inside of most smaller wooden boats. Anyway, after all that, and remembering that I probably went a little overboard as the intended owner was going to put a huge engine on the rear end, I end up with a little over 21 square feet of floor space. My seating however is big enough to use as casting decks. A 20' with a 6' beam? Wayne is familiar with Pangas? My 21' boat has an 8'6" beam. The engine well isn't there because the people who buy these boats don't want them. What a d'oh.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A traditional New England semi dory of twenty feet would not be out of place with a 6 foot beam.. That's very true. Gosh, they had notched transoms, too. Of all the "boat" discussions we have had here since the demise of Skipper, this one has to be the dumbest, and perpetrated by a couple of people who should know better and a few who are dumb and lacking in boat knowledge as white toast. One of the most popular boats in Florida is the Carolina Skiff. They're everywhere, inshore and offshore. Not only do they have no motor well or splashboard, they have low sides. Maybe Whine and Reggie should start a patrol to warn the owners of these boats they are putting their lives on the line. Harry, You need to look at Carolina Skiff again. The mfg'er of the boats doesn't consider the boats with a hole in the transom an offshore boat. The boat they candider an offshore boat have a high transom and a engine well. They specifically make a boat for inshore fishing and one for offshore fishing. This really is no big deal because you only use your boat in the bay. Carolina Skiffs are found all over Florida, inshore and offshore. They have no motorwell or splashboard. I've seen them 20-30 miles offshore on good weather days, and running the rough inlets, where the conditions would make a dickstick like you soil your shorts. You really know nothing. Harry, I hate to tell you this, but I have been much further offshore than you. How would you possibly know that, dipstick? And, B, what has that to do with how Carolina Skiffs are used by their owners? You're an idiot. |
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Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 12, 10:23 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST), wrote: I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers. Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference... Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like 70 or 80 sq ft of working area ? Not really. The ratio of internal structure is much higher in a smaller boat. Yaimkool,http://www.yaimkool.commy 16 foot by 6 1/2 foot flat bottom skiff is built around a fiberglass and plywood laminated transom connected to two 2 x 6 floor stringers. Inside the hull this is all tied into rear seat boxes that reach 52 inches forward of the transom inside the hull. I might have been able to make the seats a little shorter, but I need room for triangulation in the seat framework, and room for flotation too. There is also a thwart midships which is more for lateral structure (and flotation) than it is for seating. Lot's of folks ask why I did not leave it out for more floor space, but that thwart is critical to the boats structural integerity, as are the thwarts in most smaller boats, say under 20 feet. Likewise the front seat adds crossmembers and another good triangle in the hull, and provides stiffness to the bow. Triangles are good, you will see them all over the inside of most smaller wooden boats. Anyway, after all that, and remembering that I probably went a little overboard as the intended owner was going to put a huge engine on the rear end, I end up with a little over 21 square feet of floor space. My seating however is big enough to use as casting decks. A 20' with a 6' beam? Wayne is familiar with Pangas? My 21' boat has an 8'6" beam. The engine well isn't there because the people who buy these boats don't want them. What a d'oh.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A traditional New England semi dory of twenty feet would not be out of place with a 6 foot beam.. That's very true. Gosh, they had notched transoms, too. Of all the "boat" discussions we have had here since the demise of Skipper, this one has to be the dumbest, and perpetrated by a couple of people who should know better and a few who are dumb and lacking in boat knowledge as white toast. One of the most popular boats in Florida is the Carolina Skiff. They're everywhere, inshore and offshore. Not only do they have no motor well or splashboard, they have low sides. Maybe Whine and Reggie should start a patrol to warn the owners of these boats they are putting their lives on the line. Harry, You need to look at Carolina Skiff again. The mfg'er of the boats doesn't consider the boats with a hole in the transom an offshore boat. The boat they candider an offshore boat have a high transom and a engine well. They specifically make a boat for inshore fishing and one for offshore fishing. This really is no big deal because you only use your boat in the bay. Carolina Skiffs are found all over Florida, inshore and offshore. They have no motorwell or splashboard. I've seen them 20-30 miles offshore on good weather days, and running the rough inlets, where the conditions would make a dickstick like you soil your shorts. You really know nothing. Harry, I hate to tell you this, but I have been much further offshore than you. How would you possibly know that, dipstick? And, B, what has that to do with how Carolina Skiffs are used by their owners? You're an idiot. A - I know. I know everything. B- You are the person who likes to pretend that boating is a macho thing, and how only the brave will venture offshore. Harry, I have been wayyyyyy offshore. I never considered it a macho thing. I just thought I was having fun. C - I was not discussing how people use their boats. I have seen 18' Bayliners 50 miles offshore, but the mfg'er would never call them an offshore boat. I stated correctly, that Carolina Skiff designates their boats as inshore and offshore boats. Their offshore boats all have a full transom. D. You have stated you like to boat/fish 15 min. from your ramp. You don't like to spend anytime cruising to a destination or trailering your boat, so what does it matter if your transom has a hole in it. You fish in the bay, and you have a great little bay boat. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 12, 10:23 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST), wrote: I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers. Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference... Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like 70 or 80 sq ft of working area ? Not really. The ratio of internal structure is much higher in a smaller boat. Yaimkool,http://www.yaimkool.commy 16 foot by 6 1/2 foot flat bottom skiff is built around a fiberglass and plywood laminated transom connected to two 2 x 6 floor stringers. Inside the hull this is all tied into rear seat boxes that reach 52 inches forward of the transom inside the hull. I might have been able to make the seats a little shorter, but I need room for triangulation in the seat framework, and room for flotation too. There is also a thwart midships which is more for lateral structure (and flotation) than it is for seating. Lot's of folks ask why I did not leave it out for more floor space, but that thwart is critical to the boats structural integerity, as are the thwarts in most smaller boats, say under 20 feet. Likewise the front seat adds crossmembers and another good triangle in the hull, and provides stiffness to the bow. Triangles are good, you will see them all over the inside of most smaller wooden boats. Anyway, after all that, and remembering that I probably went a little overboard as the intended owner was going to put a huge engine on the rear end, I end up with a little over 21 square feet of floor space. My seating however is big enough to use as casting decks. A 20' with a 6' beam? Wayne is familiar with Pangas? My 21' boat has an 8'6" beam. The engine well isn't there because the people who buy these boats don't want them. What a d'oh.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A traditional New England semi dory of twenty feet would not be out of place with a 6 foot beam.. That's very true. Gosh, they had notched transoms, too. Of all the "boat" discussions we have had here since the demise of Skipper, this one has to be the dumbest, and perpetrated by a couple of people who should know better and a few who are dumb and lacking in boat knowledge as white toast. One of the most popular boats in Florida is the Carolina Skiff. They're everywhere, inshore and offshore. Not only do they have no motor well or splashboard, they have low sides. Maybe Whine and Reggie should start a patrol to warn the owners of these boats they are putting their lives on the line. Harry, You need to look at Carolina Skiff again. The mfg'er of the boats doesn't consider the boats with a hole in the transom an offshore boat. The boat they candider an offshore boat have a high transom and a engine well. They specifically make a boat for inshore fishing and one for offshore fishing. This really is no big deal because you only use your boat in the bay. Carolina Skiffs are found all over Florida, inshore and offshore. They have no motorwell or splashboard. I've seen them 20-30 miles offshore on good weather days, and running the rough inlets, where the conditions would make a dickstick like you soil your shorts. You really know nothing. Harry, I hate to tell you this, but I have been much further offshore than you. How would you possibly know that, dipstick? And, B, what has that to do with how Carolina Skiffs are used by their owners? You're an idiot. A - I know. I know everything. There's no evidence you know anything. B- You are the person who likes to pretend that boating is a macho thing, and how only the brave will venture offshore. Harry, I have been wayyyyyy offshore. I never considered it a macho thing. I just thought I was having fun. Not me. You're wrong again. And how far can you go offshore in your imaginary boat on dried up Lake Lanier, anyway? C - I was not discussing how people use their boats. I have seen 18' Bayliners 50 miles offshore, but the mfg'er would never call them an offshore boat. I stated correctly, that Carolina Skiff designates their boats as inshore and offshore boats. Their offshore boats all have a full transom. I haven't noticed many manufacturer designating their boats one way or another. I'm sure a few do, but that's not particularly relevant to this conversation. D. You have stated you like to boat/fish 15 min. from your ramp. You don't like to spend anytime cruising to a destination or trailering your boat, so what does it matter if your transom has a hole in it. You fish in the bay, and you have a great little bay boat. I fish other places, too, crapbrains. What boat do you presently own? Make, model, year? |
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