JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who ordered
it with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed it. They're
just not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine they boat on
Lake LAnier with imaginary boats.
You have got to be kidding. An otherwise reputable boat manufacturer
like Parker offers a "splash board"?
Why don't they just build it right to begin with?

Splash boards are an apology for poor engineering and design.

Eisboch


Why would I want to give up 2' of usable boat at the stern for something
as silly and useless as a "motor well"? The notched transom design is a
desired feature for fishermen who like utilitarian boats and don't like
to give up valuable real estate for something that only gets in the way
of fishing. You don't really think a bitty motor well is going to keep
the ocean out of a small boat. There are dozens of boats manufactured
for fishermen with transom designs similar to the one on my Parker.

I suppose if you are an inexperienced boater you'd think the motor well
design adds something.
I guess if you consider Eisboch a inexperienced boater, you probably
would also consider Grady-White and Boston Whaler inexperienced
boat builders. They both use motor wells for their boats, including
their smaller models.
edit

The big question is..........why do you continue to have a hard on for
Harry?

Eh?



Because that is all he has here, of course.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:33:28 -0500, HK wrote:

It doesn't bother me when the newsgroup "snarks" attempt to pile on.

What does your Oxford English Dictionary have to say about the
definition of "snark" ?

There is a risk that by over using certain words, they will lose their
impact.



It says, "c.f., Wayne B. or Reggie the A**hole."

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who ordered
it with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed it. They're
just not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine they boat on
Lake LAnier with imaginary boats.
You have got to be kidding. An otherwise reputable boat manufacturer
like Parker offers a "splash board"?
Why don't they just build it right to begin with?

Splash boards are an apology for poor engineering and design.

Eisboch


Why would I want to give up 2' of usable boat at the stern for something
as silly and useless as a "motor well"? The notched transom design is a
desired feature for fishermen who like utilitarian boats and don't like
to give up valuable real estate for something that only gets in the way
of fishing. You don't really think a bitty motor well is going to keep
the ocean out of a small boat. There are dozens of boats manufactured
for fishermen with transom designs similar to the one on my Parker.

I suppose if you are an inexperienced boater you'd think the motor well
design adds something.
I guess if you consider Eisboch a inexperienced boater, you probably
would also consider Grady-White and Boston Whaler inexperienced
boat builders. They both use motor wells for their boats, including
their smaller models.
edit

The big question is..........why do you continue to have a hard on for
Harry?

Eh?




I don't, we are talking about boats. Does it make sense to have an open
hole in the transom or not. I have no problems with Harry, but I do
find it interesting to try to have a discussion with him. Since it
really is Harry who spends all of his time calling other people childish
names, maybe you should ask him that question.

On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers.
Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty
foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference...

Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like
70 or 80 sq ft of working area ?

Not really. The ratio of internal structure is much higher in a
smaller boat. Yaimkool, http://www.yaimkool.com my 16 foot by 6 1/2
foot flat bottom skiff is built around a fiberglass and plywood
laminated transom connected to two 2 x 6 floor stringers. Inside the
hull this is all tied into rear seat boxes that reach 52 inches
forward of the transom inside the hull. I might have been able to make
the seats a little shorter, but I need room for triangulation in the
seat framework, and room for flotation too. There is also a thwart
midships which is more for lateral structure (and flotation) than it
is for seating. Lot's of folks ask why I did not leave it out for more
floor space, but that thwart is critical to the boats structural
integerity, as are the thwarts in most smaller boats, say under 20
feet. Likewise the front seat adds crossmembers and another good
triangle in the hull, and provides stiffness to the bow. Triangles are
good, you will see them all over the inside of most smaller wooden
boats.
Anyway, after all that, and remembering that I probably went a little
overboard as the intended owner was going to put a huge engine on the
rear end, I end up with a little over 21 square feet of floor space.
My seating however is big enough to use as casting decks.

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who
ordered it with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed
it. They're just not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine
they boat on Lake LAnier with imaginary boats.

You have got to be kidding. An otherwise reputable boat
manufacturer like Parker offers a "splash board"?
Why don't they just build it right to begin with?

Splash boards are an apology for poor engineering and design.

Eisboch



Why would I want to give up 2' of usable boat at the stern for
something as silly and useless as a "motor well"? The notched
transom design is a desired feature for fishermen who like
utilitarian boats and don't like to give up valuable real estate for
something that only gets in the way of fishing. You don't really
think a bitty motor well is going to keep the ocean out of a small
boat. There are dozens of boats manufactured for fishermen with
transom designs similar to the one on my Parker.

I suppose if you are an inexperienced boater you'd think the motor
well design adds something.

I guess if you consider Eisboch a inexperienced boater, you probably
don't would also consider Grady-White and Boston Whaler inexperienced
boat builders. They both use motor wells for their boats, including
their smaller models.


The Grady White 209, which is its boat about the same size as mine, has
a notched transom with a fold down motor well/splashboard,
crap-for-brains. Removable.

Harry, That is a very substantial motor well, on that boat, why would
anyone in their right mind remove the Grady White's motor well?

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in
message . ..
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would
repel backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy
who ordered it with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He
removed it. They're just not necessary, except, maybe to guys who
imagine they boat on Lake LAnier with imaginary boats.
You have got to be kidding. An otherwise reputable boat
manufacturer like Parker offers a "splash board"?
Why don't they just build it right to begin with?

Splash boards are an apology for poor engineering and design.

Eisboch


Why would I want to give up 2' of usable boat at the stern for
something as silly and useless as a "motor well"? The notched
transom design is a desired feature for fishermen who like
utilitarian boats and don't like to give up valuable real estate
for something that only gets in the way of fishing. You don't
really think a bitty motor well is going to keep the ocean out of a
small boat. There are dozens of boats manufactured for fishermen
with transom designs similar to the one on my Parker.

I suppose if you are an inexperienced boater you'd think the motor
well design adds something.
I guess if you consider Eisboch a inexperienced boater, you probably
would also consider Grady-White and Boston Whaler inexperienced
boat builders. They both use motor wells for their boats, including
their smaller models.
edit

The big question is..........why do you continue to have a hard on for
Harry?

Eh?



I don't, we are talking about boats. Does it make sense to have an open
hole in the transom or not. I have no problems with Harry, but I do
find it interesting to try to have a discussion with him. Since it
really is Harry who spends all of his time calling other people childish
names, maybe you should ask him that question.


I suggest you *don't* try to have a "discussion" with me, since I have
concluded that you are nothing but a flaming a**hole. I've told you that
before, at least 20 times. I've seen nothing from you that would make me
change my mind.

HK wrote:


I don't, we are talking about boats. Does it make sense to have an
open hole in the transom or not. I have no problems with Harry, but I
do find it interesting to try to have a discussion with him. Since it
really is Harry who spends all of his time calling other people
childish names, maybe you should ask him that question.


I suggest you *don't* try to have a "discussion" with me, since I have
concluded that you are nothing but a flaming a**hole. I've told you that
before, at least 20 times. I've seen nothing from you that would make me
change my mind.


I guess JimH really did ask the wrong person who has a hard on.

"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:33:28 -0500, HK wrote:

It doesn't bother me when the newsgroup "snarks" attempt to pile on.

What does your Oxford English Dictionary have to say about the
definition of "snark" ? There is a risk that by over using certain
words, they will lose their
impact.



It says, "c.f., Wayne B. or Reggie the A**hole."

For narcissist personality disorder, the dictionary says, "See elsewhere
'Harry Krause'".

wrote:
On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers.
Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty
foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference...
Wouldn't a 20 ft boat with maybe a 5 or 6 ft beam have something like
70 or 80 sq ft of working area ?

Not really. The ratio of internal structure is much higher in a
smaller boat. Yaimkool, http://www.yaimkool.com my 16 foot by 6 1/2
foot flat bottom skiff is built around a fiberglass and plywood
laminated transom connected to two 2 x 6 floor stringers. Inside the
hull this is all tied into rear seat boxes that reach 52 inches
forward of the transom inside the hull. I might have been able to make
the seats a little shorter, but I need room for triangulation in the
seat framework, and room for flotation too. There is also a thwart
midships which is more for lateral structure (and flotation) than it
is for seating. Lot's of folks ask why I did not leave it out for more
floor space, but that thwart is critical to the boats structural
integerity, as are the thwarts in most smaller boats, say under 20
feet. Likewise the front seat adds crossmembers and another good
triangle in the hull, and provides stiffness to the bow. Triangles are
good, you will see them all over the inside of most smaller wooden
boats.
Anyway, after all that, and remembering that I probably went a little
overboard as the intended owner was going to put a huge engine on the
rear end, I end up with a little over 21 square feet of floor space.
My seating however is big enough to use as casting decks.



A 20' with a 6' beam?

Wayne is familiar with Pangas?

My 21' boat has an 8'6" beam.


The engine well isn't there because the people who buy these boats don't
want them. What a d'oh.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


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