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Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Oooh....government regulation. You're a liberal! |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message ... While the separate arguments he makes looks pretty good on their face, when you put them together it seems a bit like leaving the hen house unlocked, and handing the keys to the fox. Basically, let the bad oil companies alone set the price for the raw material they need, as they see fit? How's that gonna work? What are you talking about??? The henhouse is *already* unlocked! The presence of non-industry gamblers in the hedging process is the largest part of the problem. Are you saying they *belong* in the futures market because they somehow keep the oil companies honest??? The world according to Doug Kanter, aka JoeSpareBedroom, sure must be a rigid one. If I have money to invest or speculate on commodities or futures why should I be limited to specific vehicles? Your world doesn't sound like a place most of us Americans want to live in. It's already that kind of world. Walk into a brokerage firm and tell them you want to play with uncovered call options. There's a 50/50 chance that they'll walk you to the door because the regulations are designed to prevent people from jumping off bridges. However, if I have enough of a net worth I can play with uncovered call options. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic. If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd scream bloody murder. Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a life threatening injury or disease. HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO. We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for those that can't. Eisboch I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. Then get a Medical Savings Account: http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publ...hIns/MSAs.html Yeah...that's on my list of things to do during vacation, when the damned phones stop ringing. Speaking of work, can I interest you in 1150 cases (9,200 64 oz bottles) of Indian Summer apple juice? $16.00 per case, delivered, but you have to take the whole truck. $18,400.00. Net 10 days. Plastic or glass bottles? Plastic. Prepare to provide a D&B number. Perfect. I could fill up my cooler on my boat. What do you figure that weighs? I don't want to exceed the maximum weight for my boat according to my CG plaque. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Nothing is preventing you from setting up a charitable foundation that will cover health costs for those that "can't afford" or simply don't want to pay for it. This method will enable you to do something good for you fellow man rather than bitching, complaining and whining about its not fair unless the government takes money from everyone to do it. You're right. No more taking money from everyone. No more highways. Buy a horse. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Wow! You are getting off cheap. We spend $3,000/year just on a health care spending account, with another $150/month in insurance premiums. We normally go through our spending account by June due to the number of prescription drugs my family needs, even at generic pricing. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic. If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd scream bloody murder. Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a life threatening injury or disease. HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO. We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for those that can't. Eisboch I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. Who is forcing you to pay $300 per month for health insurance? Most employers will allow you to decline coverage. Just think of how you can better spend your money each month than some guy in a cubicle somewhere in Indiana with a slide rule and an actuarial table? Long story. How do you plan to handle something like cancer care, which can reach 50-100K in less than a year? Out of your pocket? Sell the house? Cash in all your retirement investments? Then stop whining and pay the $300 per month. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 " by Physicians for a National Health Program " LOL. No bias there. Yeah. Like Doctors Without Borders, or Albert Schweitzer. Blinded by an agenda. They are not blinded by an agenda, they are guided by an agenda. Just because you believe it a good activity doesn't mean I have to believe the same. What's funny is that they might be right. It might work. Ha ha. They might be wrong too. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Oooh....government regulation. You're a liberal! And you're a conservative: "I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. " You just described Bush's medical savings account plan. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic. If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd scream bloody murder. Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a life threatening injury or disease. HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO. We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for those that can't. Eisboch I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. Then get a Medical Savings Account: http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publ...hIns/MSAs.html Yeah...that's on my list of things to do during vacation, when the damned phones stop ringing. Speaking of work, can I interest you in 1150 cases (9,200 64 oz bottles) of Indian Summer apple juice? $16.00 per case, delivered, but you have to take the whole truck. $18,400.00. Net 10 days. Plastic or glass bottles? Plastic. Prepare to provide a D&B number. Perfect. I could fill up my cooler on my boat. What do you figure that weighs? I don't want to exceed the maximum weight for my boat according to my CG plaque. 40,244 pounds, exactly. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:51:54 +0000, NOYB wrote: If money were no object, and you could choose to have a lifesaving procedure anywhere in the world, where would you choose to have it done? I have no problem with the quality of American health care. I do have concerns about availability and costs. Statistics of life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. show that our health care availability is not what it could be. It is also true that our health care costs are @ 15% GDP, as opposed to Canada's *universal* care at @ 10% GDP. Quality of care issues aside, that 5% puts us at a competitive disadvantage in the global marketplace. What is the life expectancy in Canada? |
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