Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
 

"Don White" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
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As we were comparing Canadian and US systems, I'd
be willing to bet, if a survey were done, that Canadians are happier with
their health care system, than we are with ours.


Not *my* patients. Unless, of course, they happen to be Canadian. Why
do they spend thousands down here with me if they can get if for free up
there?



You know better than that. Dental care is not included in our system....
unless you happen to be 10 years old or younger in Nova Scotia.

Facts? FACTS??? We don't need no steenking facts!

Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
 

"Don White" wrote in message
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My next trip to Canada will be to visit Quebec City.


You'd better leave your attitude home when you visit there. The residents
of that area can be much more sensitive than Montreal citizens.

In his younger days, a friend of mine somehow got his band hired in a couple
of clubs around QC. He said that on more than one occasion, audience members
explained to him (behind the club, complete with shoving) that they didn't
appreciate him breathing their air. If only those audience members knew the
future they could've had here in the Republican party....

Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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"Jack Goff" wrote in message
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While the separate arguments he makes looks pretty good on their
face,
when you put them together it seems a bit like leaving the hen
house
unlocked, and handing the keys to the fox. Basically, let the
bad oil
companies alone set the price for the raw material they need, as
they
see fit? How's that gonna work?

What are you talking about??? The henhouse is *already*
unlocked! The presence of non-industry gamblers in the hedging
process is the largest part of the problem. Are you saying they
*belong* in the futures market because they somehow keep the oil
companies honest???
The world according to Doug Kanter, aka JoeSpareBedroom, sure must
be a rigid one. If I have money to invest or speculate on
commodities or futures why should I be limited to specific
vehicles?

Your world doesn't sound like a place most of us Americans want to
live in.

It's already that kind of world. Walk into a brokerage firm and
tell them you want to play with uncovered call options. There's a
50/50 chance that they'll walk you to the door because the
regulations are designed to prevent people from jumping off
bridges.
However, if I have enough of a net worth I can play with uncovered
call options.

Anyway...back to the oil subject: Oil is a product too important to
be fiddled with by monkeys. Would you agree that when the price
increases by 50%, it affects parts of the economy in negative ways?
Develop another source of usable energy that is more cost effective
than oil is and you could be rich. Otherwise, shut up and pay before
you pump.

Irrelevant. Would you agree that when the price increases by 50%, it
affects parts of the economy in negative ways?
Why is it irrelevant? Is it that you don't want to discuss alternatives
because it will spoil you current activity of slamming the Bush
Administration?

How many people have been laid off due to the increase in oil costs? How
many people have gone bankrupt due to the increase in oil costs?

The more interesting piece of economic news of late is the potential
increase in the forclosure rate due to the variable interest rate
mortgages rising considerably over the next two years. The general, pre
oil price rise, trend over the last two years that is predicted by the
FRBS is more troubling. Shouldn't the FRBS be lowering the rate to keep
the current variable rate mortgage payers in paying rather than being
forclosed on?

He says sitting on a 5.75% 30 year fixed interest rate mortgage.

You're drinking again. What's Bush got to do with the futures market,
which has been around since before he was scraped out of his petri dish?

Who said anything about Bush? FRBS = Federal Reserve Banking System. You
know they guys that are independent of the three branches of government
and who set monitary policy in the US.

You're right about oil though. Its cost is only important to the cars we
drive, and anything that needs to be shipped. That's not much. Every now
and then, I push a button and see a graph of the per mile trucking costs
my company and ALL others have paid over the years. It's a steep curve
over the last 40 months or so. But, it must be wrong, even though the
figures come directly from our invoices. Maybe I need my glasses checked.

What have you stopped doing due to the increase in oil? Have you stopped
eating? Have you lost your house? Have you given up driving your car or
boat? Have you reduced the number of movies you go to? Have you stoped
funding your 401k or your IRA? How has the increase in oil price
materially affected you?

You must be stoned. Or, somebody else does the shopping in your house.

Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Jack Goff" wrote in message
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While the separate arguments he makes looks pretty good on their
face,
when you put them together it seems a bit like leaving the hen
house
unlocked, and handing the keys to the fox. Basically, let the
bad oil
companies alone set the price for the raw material they need, as
they
see fit? How's that gonna work?

What are you talking about??? The henhouse is *already*
unlocked! The presence of non-industry gamblers in the hedging
process is the largest part of the problem. Are you saying they
*belong* in the futures market because they somehow keep the oil
companies honest???
The world according to Doug Kanter, aka JoeSpareBedroom, sure must
be a rigid one. If I have money to invest or speculate on
commodities or futures why should I be limited to specific
vehicles?

Your world doesn't sound like a place most of us Americans want to
live in.

It's already that kind of world. Walk into a brokerage firm and
tell them you want to play with uncovered call options. There's a
50/50 chance that they'll walk you to the door because the
regulations are designed to prevent people from jumping off
bridges.
However, if I have enough of a net worth I can play with uncovered
call options.

Anyway...back to the oil subject: Oil is a product too important to
be fiddled with by monkeys. Would you agree that when the price
increases by 50%, it affects parts of the economy in negative ways?
Develop another source of usable energy that is more cost effective
than oil is and you could be rich. Otherwise, shut up and pay before
you pump.

Irrelevant. Would you agree that when the price increases by 50%, it
affects parts of the economy in negative ways?
Why is it irrelevant? Is it that you don't want to discuss alternatives
because it will spoil you current activity of slamming the Bush
Administration?

How many people have been laid off due to the increase in oil costs? How
many people have gone bankrupt due to the increase in oil costs?

The more interesting piece of economic news of late is the potential
increase in the forclosure rate due to the variable interest rate
mortgages rising considerably over the next two years. The general, pre
oil price rise, trend over the last two years that is predicted by the
FRBS is more troubling. Shouldn't the FRBS be lowering the rate to keep
the current variable rate mortgage payers in paying rather than being
forclosed on?

He says sitting on a 5.75% 30 year fixed interest rate mortgage.
You're drinking again. What's Bush got to do with the futures market,
which has been around since before he was scraped out of his petri dish?
Who said anything about Bush? FRBS = Federal Reserve Banking System. You
know they guys that are independent of the three branches of government
and who set monitary policy in the US.

You're right about oil though. Its cost is only important to the cars we
drive, and anything that needs to be shipped. That's not much. Every now
and then, I push a button and see a graph of the per mile trucking costs
my company and ALL others have paid over the years. It's a steep curve
over the last 40 months or so. But, it must be wrong, even though the
figures come directly from our invoices. Maybe I need my glasses checked.
What have you stopped doing due to the increase in oil? Have you stopped
eating? Have you lost your house? Have you given up driving your car or
boat? Have you reduced the number of movies you go to? Have you stoped
funding your 401k or your IRA? How has the increase in oil price
materially affected you?

You must be stoned. Or, somebody else does the shopping in your house.



Typical Doug non-answer and an attempt at shifting the conversation.

Gasoline prices - gold as a hedge
 

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:20:45 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:46:27 GMT, Jack Goff wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:23:49 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:13:43 GMT, Jack Goff wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:35:58 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:39:01 GMT, Jack Goff wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:20:24 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 2 Aug 2006 06:11:49 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Slow steady wins the race.

I don't think John Force would buy into that.

John Force is an idiot.

And drag racing sucks - unless it's on the street and it's a Mustang
or some crappy rice burner.

That's when the 'Vette teaches 'em a lesson. :)

You got a C6R? Anthing less and the new Mustang Cobra will show the
'vette the door! :-)

Highly unlikely. 645 hp before the NOX. :)

Ahhh... traction is your problem.

Um....I don't have a problem.

Not with traction? It's tubbed?

As Jack Burton said "Like I told my last wife, I said, "Honey, I never
drive faster than I can see, and besides... it's all in the reflexes."

Especially with Mustangs. :)

Yeah... well, only little boys wear bowties.

Careful there - I'm a blue oval guy from way back. :)

I just don't like Mustangs.

I'm now thinking of trading mine in on a Cadillac STS.
--
******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John

Gasoline prices - gold as a hedge
 

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:21:48 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:20:45 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:46:27 GMT, Jack Goff wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:23:49 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:13:43 GMT, Jack Goff wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:35:58 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:39:01 GMT, Jack Goff wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:20:24 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 2 Aug 2006 06:11:49 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Slow steady wins the race.

I don't think John Force would buy into that.
John Force is an idiot.

And drag racing sucks - unless it's on the street and it's a Mustang
or some crappy rice burner.

That's when the 'Vette teaches 'em a lesson. :)
You got a C6R? Anthing less and the new Mustang Cobra will show the
'vette the door! :-)
Highly unlikely. 645 hp before the NOX. :)
Ahhh... traction is your problem.
Um....I don't have a problem.
Not with traction? It's tubbed?
As Jack Burton said "Like I told my last wife, I said, "Honey, I never
drive faster than I can see, and besides... it's all in the reflexes."

Especially with Mustangs. :)
Yeah... well, only little boys wear bowties.
Careful there - I'm a blue oval guy from way back. :)

I just don't like Mustangs.

I'm now thinking of trading mine in on a Cadillac STS.
--
******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John


The Caddy STS is a *very* nice car and a bargain for the $$$ even though
it is not inexpensive. One of my compadres at an investment company has
one - a couple of years old now - and it is a sweet ride. There have
been no reports of male hairdressers driving them. :}

I drove an almost new 'Vette a few days ago. I'm not any more impressed
with these cars than I was 35 years ago. They're just "too too" for my
taste.

My brother, with whom I spent last week, drives a new STS. I was impressed.
I'm also considering the Acura RL. Decisions, decisions.

I could, honestly, care less about the male hairdressers.
--
******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John

Gasoline prices - gold as a hedge
 

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:47:53 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:21:48 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



The Caddy STS is a *very* nice car and a bargain for the $$$ even though
it is not inexpensive. One of my compadres at an investment company has
one - a couple of years old now - and it is a sweet ride. There have
been no reports of male hairdressers driving them. :}

I drove an almost new 'Vette a few days ago. I'm not any more impressed
with these cars than I was 35 years ago. They're just "too too" for my
taste.





My brother, with whom I spent last week, drives a new STS. I was impressed.
I'm also considering the Acura RL. Decisions, decisions.

I could, honestly, care less about the male hairdressers.
--


Perhaps if you weren't hair challenged, you'd care more :}

Both of those cars are nice if you are planning to take lots of trips on
the interstates and appreciate a comfortable ride. For around town, I
prefer a much smaller, lighter AWD or part-time 4WD SUV. The two cars
you are considering are thirsty dudes.

The wife will retire in Jan '08. We'll probably doing some serious
traveling then. She's not seen much of this country, and I've some favorite
spots I want to show her - not by air!
--
******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John

Gasoline prices - gold as a hedge
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:47:53 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:21:48 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:



The Caddy STS is a *very* nice car and a bargain for the $$$ even
though
it is not inexpensive. One of my compadres at an investment company has
one - a couple of years old now - and it is a sweet ride. There have
been no reports of male hairdressers driving them. :}

I drove an almost new 'Vette a few days ago. I'm not any more impressed
with these cars than I was 35 years ago. They're just "too too" for my
taste.





My brother, with whom I spent last week, drives a new STS. I was
impressed.
I'm also considering the Acura RL. Decisions, decisions.

I could, honestly, care less about the male hairdressers.
--


Perhaps if you weren't hair challenged, you'd care more :}

Both of those cars are nice if you are planning to take lots of trips on
the interstates and appreciate a comfortable ride. For around town, I
prefer a much smaller, lighter AWD or part-time 4WD SUV. The two cars
you are considering are thirsty dudes.

The wife will retire in Jan '08. We'll probably doing some serious
traveling then. She's not seen much of this country, and I've some
favorite
spots I want to show her - not by air!
--
******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John


I am with you on that. Travel by car also lets you live by *your* schedule
and allows much more flexibility in your travels.

Gasoline prices - gold as a hedge
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

JohnH wrote:

The wife will retire in Jan '08. We'll probably doing some serious
traveling then. She's not seen much of this country, and I've some
favorite
spots I want to show her - not by air!
--


John, if I were shopping for a car in that price range and were planning a
lot of driving, I'd sure take a new BMW 530x for a test ride. Of all the
cars I've driven in the last five years, the BMW was the most "driver's
car."

The Caddy *is* a nice car, as is the BMW, both the 5 and 7 series. My wife
drives a 750il and it's probably the best touring car I've ever driven. I
won't comment on the M5 - it's just too crazy.

However John, if traveling the country is in your future, you might want to
consider something else.
Mrs.E. and I just returned from a very pleasant trip to Norfolk in our Dodge
Sprinter mini-RV. I've tried big class "A" motorhomes and Fifth-wheel
trailers and didn't like either for a number of reasons. We got the little
Sprinter last summer and it's perfect for two. It's easy to drive ... not
tiring (I did 582 miles in one day and didn't feel exhausted from driving)
and has a number of advantages over big RVs. They include:

Small size (21 feet) allows parking anywhere you could park a pickup.
Little Mercedes diesel delivered 17-18 mpg on our trip, pulling a 13'
Haulmark trailer.
You can stay at campsites, or stay at a hotel without worrying about where
to park.
The power sofa easily opens at the touch of a button into either a
king-sized bed or two singles.
(The bed is bigger than any of the beds in our other RVs)
It has all the amenities of a big RV - stovetop, refrig, microwave, LCD TV,
bathroom and shower.
Mrs.E. has no problem driving it. On our last trip she sat on the rear sofa
for a while watching a DVD while I drove. On the way back we left the bed
set up and she took a long nap during part of the trip.

For trips of 3 or 4 days there's enough storage space for clothes, food etc.
within the RV. I bought a small Haulmark trailer and set it up to carry
extra stuff in the event we want to travel further. The rig will tow up to
5000 lbs. The Haulmark trailer we got is one size up from the smallest and
has a GVW of 3000 lbs.

The Sprinter is actually made by Mercedes and is marketed in the US under
the Dodge, Freightliner and Mercedes badges. Most of the major RV
conversion manufacturers are introducing their RV versions based on this
chassis due to it's popularity and relatively high fuel mileage. Ours was
built by Pleasure-Way, but there are several others available.

Pics at:

www.eisboch.com/sprinter

Eisboch

Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

Anyway...back to the oil subject: Oil is a product too important to
be fiddled with by monkeys. Would you agree that when the price
increases by 50%, it affects parts of the economy in negative ways?
Develop another source of usable energy that is more cost effective
than oil is and you could be rich. Otherwise, shut up and pay before
you pump.

Irrelevant. Would you agree that when the price increases by 50%, it
affects parts of the economy in negative ways?
Why is it irrelevant? Is it that you don't want to discuss
alternatives because it will spoil you current activity of slamming
the Bush Administration?

How many people have been laid off due to the increase in oil costs?
How many people have gone bankrupt due to the increase in oil costs?

The more interesting piece of economic news of late is the potential
increase in the forclosure rate due to the variable interest rate
mortgages rising considerably over the next two years. The general,
pre oil price rise, trend over the last two years that is predicted by
the FRBS is more troubling. Shouldn't the FRBS be lowering the rate to
keep the current variable rate mortgage payers in paying rather than
being forclosed on?

He says sitting on a 5.75% 30 year fixed interest rate mortgage.
You're drinking again. What's Bush got to do with the futures market,
which has been around since before he was scraped out of his petri
dish?
Who said anything about Bush? FRBS = Federal Reserve Banking System. You
know they guys that are independent of the three branches of government
and who set monitary policy in the US.

You're right about oil though. Its cost is only important to the cars
we drive, and anything that needs to be shipped. That's not much. Every
now and then, I push a button and see a graph of the per mile trucking
costs my company and ALL others have paid over the years. It's a steep
curve over the last 40 months or so. But, it must be wrong, even though
the figures come directly from our invoices. Maybe I need my glasses
checked.
What have you stopped doing due to the increase in oil? Have you stopped
eating? Have you lost your house? Have you given up driving your car or
boat? Have you reduced the number of movies you go to? Have you stoped
funding your 401k or your IRA? How has the increase in oil price
materially affected you?

You must be stoned. Or, somebody else does the shopping in your house.

Typical Doug non-answer and an attempt at shifting the conversation.

***ME*** shift the conversation? You're talking about mortgage rates while
I'm telling that freight rates have increased 30% in 40-ish months*, and
you're making like it's a non-event.

*A number of months which is not a coincidence, by the way.