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"NOYB" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a
doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515

" by Physicians for a National Health Program "

LOL. No bias there.




Yeah. Like Doctors Without Borders, or Albert Schweitzer. Blinded by an
agenda.

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:12:32 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Still why is the health care people receive in the US better than anywhere
else in the world, even those socialist countries?

I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. I have heard it argued that we
have the best emergency health care system, with all the bells and
whistles, but if you were to look at statistics directly related to health
care, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. we aren't at the top of the
list.

I posted this link to another of your posts:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a
doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515

"Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in
particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found
that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of
people in the U.S."

How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five
times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared
to American patients".

The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another
fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in
Canada", shows his bias.

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If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an
MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic.

If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd
scream bloody murder.
Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a
life threatening injury or disease.

HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO.
We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic
injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for
those that can't.

Eisboch


I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit
card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the
internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical
needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered
everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing.

Then get a Medical Savings Account:
http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publ...hIns/MSAs.html

Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
 

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:12:32 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Still why is the health care people receive in the US better than
anywhere
else in the world, even those socialist countries?

I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. I have heard it argued that we
have the best emergency health care system, with all the bells and
whistles, but if you were to look at statistics directly related to health
care, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. we aren't at the top of the
list.

I posted this link to another of your posts:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515

If money were no object, and you could choose to have a lifesaving procedure
anywhere in the world, where would you choose to have it done?

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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While the separate arguments he makes looks pretty good on their face,
when you put them together it seems a bit like leaving the hen house
unlocked, and handing the keys to the fox. Basically, let the bad oil
companies alone set the price for the raw material they need, as they
see fit? How's that gonna work?


What are you talking about??? The henhouse is *already* unlocked! The
presence of non-industry gamblers in the hedging process is the largest part
of the problem. Are you saying they *belong* in the futures market because
they somehow keep the oil companies honest???

The world according to Doug Kanter, aka JoeSpareBedroom, sure must be a
rigid one. If I have money to invest or speculate on commodities or
futures why should I be limited to specific vehicles?

Your world doesn't sound like a place most of us Americans want to live in.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:12:32 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Still why is the health care people receive in the US better than
anywhere
else in the world, even those socialist countries?

I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. I have heard it argued that
we
have the best emergency health care system, with all the bells and
whistles, but if you were to look at statistics directly related to
health
care, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. we aren't at the top of
the
list.

I posted this link to another of your posts:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515

If money were no object, and you could choose to have a lifesaving
procedure anywhere in the world, where would you choose to have it done?

Israel.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:12:32 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Still why is the health care people receive in the US better than
anywhere
else in the world, even those socialist countries?

I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. I have heard it argued that
we
have the best emergency health care system, with all the bells and
whistles, but if you were to look at statistics directly related to
health
care, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. we aren't at the top of
the
list.

I posted this link to another of your posts:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515

If money were no object, and you could choose to have a lifesaving
procedure anywhere in the world, where would you choose to have it done?

Israel.

Why? It seems as if their best doctors are working in NY.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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JimH wrote:
The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings
surveys.
Such as?
Here's one. There are several about:

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005
LOL. I have to give you an "A" for effort, Harry.

The US is far from being in the "dumper" and your claim is a bit
misleading. According to the UN Human Development Index (HDI), the US
hasn't led or come close to leading the list since at least 1980 but
it's ranking is still up there with little mathematical score
difference between it and the top of the list. It is interesting
that the countries that have led the list over the years tend to be
more socialistic in their government.

Nice try, though. :-)

Eisboch

What's even more interesting is that, you being the exception (I
think), most of the people here who depict socialism to be evil have
absolutely no idea what it really is. At least it's entertaining to
witness the ideas they pull outta their asses. :-)
Why don't you enlighten us as to why we should accept socialism as a way
of life?

If you can't explain why it is such a good thing then you are just being
argumentative.
I don't have to explain it. If a survey of human beings indicates that
they like their country, who the **** are we to criticize their economic
system? Having said that, I know why you do it: You lump all socialist
countries into one big category, so you think Finland equals the USSR. Do
as you wish.
Did you forget to take your lithium today Doug?

You are the one that is getting all hot and bothered because people are
not taking your word as gospel regarding the socio-economic systems you
prefer.

I prefer this one, so I live here. You, on the other hand, think you have
information that the Finns are unaware of.

Finland is still a socialist state and all of the freedoms of a country
like and only like the US are not available to them.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an
MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic.

If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd
scream bloody murder.
Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a
life threatening injury or disease.

HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO.
We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic
injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for
those that can't.

Eisboch


I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit
card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the
internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for
medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that
covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing.

Then get a Medical Savings Account:
http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publ...hIns/MSAs.html

Yeah...that's on my list of things to do during vacation, when the damned
phones stop ringing. Speaking of work, can I interest you in 1150 cases
(9,200 64 oz bottles) of Indian Summer apple juice? $16.00 per case,
delivered, but you have to take the whole truck. $18,400.00. Net 10 days.