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If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get
an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic.

If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd
scream bloody murder.
Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to
a life threatening injury or disease.

HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally,
IMHO. We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for
catastrophic injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it
should be free for those that can't.

Eisboch


I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit
card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the
internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for
medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that
covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing.

Then get a Medical Savings Account:
http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publ...hIns/MSAs.html

Yeah...that's on my list of things to do during vacation, when the damned
phones stop ringing. Speaking of work, can I interest you in 1150 cases
(9,200 64 oz bottles) of Indian Summer apple juice? $16.00 per case,
delivered, but you have to take the whole truck. $18,400.00. Net 10 days.

Plastic or glass bottles?

Plastic. Prepare to provide a D&B number.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an
MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic.
If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd
scream bloody murder.
Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a
life threatening injury or disease.

HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO.
We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic
injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for
those that can't.

Eisboch


I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit
card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist.
Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which
may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X
amount - $2K a year, or some such thing.

Who is forcing you to pay $300 per month for health insurance? Most
employers will allow you to decline coverage. Just think of how you can
better spend your money each month than some guy in a cubicle somewhere
in Indiana with a slide rule and an actuarial table?

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:12:32 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Still why is the health care people receive in the US better than
anywhere
else in the world, even those socialist countries?

I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. I have heard it argued that
we
have the best emergency health care system, with all the bells and
whistles, but if you were to look at statistics directly related to
health
care, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. we aren't at the top of
the
list.

I posted this link to another of your posts:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515

If money were no object, and you could choose to have a lifesaving
procedure anywhere in the world, where would you choose to have it done?

Israel.

Why? It seems as if their best doctors are working in NY.




Or at the Cleveland Clinic. ;-)

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a
doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515
" by Physicians for a National Health Program "

LOL. No bias there.




Yeah. Like Doctors Without Borders, or Albert Schweitzer. Blinded by an
agenda.

They are not blinded by an agenda, they are guided by an agenda. Just
because you believe it a good activity doesn't mean I have to believe
the same.

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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:12:32 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Still why is the health care people receive in the US better than anywhere
else in the world, even those socialist countries?

I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. I have heard it argued that we
have the best emergency health care system, with all the bells and
whistles, but if you were to look at statistics directly related to health
care, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. we aren't at the top of the
list.

I posted this link to another of your posts:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515

And, I responded that I do not believe that a National Health Care plan
is what is needed.

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see
a
doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515

"Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative;
in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we
found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs.
0.7% of people in the U.S."

How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read:
"Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times
compared to American patients".

The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another
fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in
Canada", shows his bias.

No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a
luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the
Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason.

Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the
insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under
Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state
lines and purchase insurance through their national associations.

I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I
didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I
could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have.

It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I
spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health
insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would
still be cheaper than what I'm paying now.

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an
MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic.
If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd
scream bloody murder.
Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a
life threatening injury or disease.

HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO.
We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic
injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for
those that can't.

Eisboch


I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit
card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the
internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for
medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that
covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing.

Who is forcing you to pay $300 per month for health insurance? Most
employers will allow you to decline coverage. Just think of how you can
better spend your money each month than some guy in a cubicle somewhere in
Indiana with a slide rule and an actuarial table?



Long story. How do you plan to handle something like cancer care, which can
reach 50-100K in less than a year? Out of your pocket? Sell the house? Cash
in all your retirement investments?

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see
a
doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515
" by Physicians for a National Health Program "

LOL. No bias there.




Yeah. Like Doctors Without Borders, or Albert Schweitzer. Blinded by an
agenda.

They are not blinded by an agenda, they are guided by an agenda. Just
because you believe it a good activity doesn't mean I have to believe the
same.


What's funny is that they might be right. It might work. Ha ha.

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:51:54 +0000, NOYB wrote:


If money were no object, and you could choose to have a lifesaving
procedure anywhere in the world, where would you choose to have it done?

I have no problem with the quality of American health care. I do have
concerns about availability and costs. Statistics of life expectancy,
infant mortality, etc. show that our health care availability is not what
it could be. It is also true that our health care costs are @ 15% GDP, as
opposed to Canada's *universal* care at @ 10% GDP. Quality of care issues
aside, that 5% puts us at a competitive disadvantage in the global
marketplace.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a
doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515
"Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative;
in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we
found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs.
0.7% of people in the U.S."

How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read:
"Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times
compared to American patients".

The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another
fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in
Canada", shows his bias.

No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury
item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but
that's not a good enough reason.

Nothing is preventing you from setting up a charitable foundation that
will cover health costs for those that "can't afford" or simply don't
want to pay for it. This method will enable you to do something good for
you fellow man rather than bitching, complaining and whining about its
not fair unless the government takes money from everyone to do it.