"Wayne.B" wrote in message .

When I was 7 or 8 years old I was smart enough to understand
separation of church and state. .

No. When you were 7 or 8 years old in the fifties you were able to grasp
the rudiments of a simplistic explanation. Apparently, you haven't given
the matter much observation or thought since.

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:48:10 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

No. When you were 7 or 8 years old in the fifties you were able to grasp
the rudiments of a simplistic explanation. Apparently, you haven't given
the matter much observation or thought since.

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OK. Please explain where I'm remiss.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message .

When I was 7 or 8 years old I was smart enough to understand
separation of church and state. .

No. When you were 7 or 8 years old in the fifties you were able to grasp
the rudiments of a simplistic explanation. Apparently, you haven't given
the matter much observation or thought since.



Try looking at it from the viewpoint of the original Americans and it might
be easier to understand the problem. This assumes, of course, that you
realize the original Americans were pagans, not Christians.

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:06:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Try looking at it from the viewpoint of the original Americans and it might
be easier to understand the problem. This assumes, of course, that you
realize the original Americans were pagans, not Christians.

=============================================

The cynical definition of a pagan is someone who believes in a
different imaginary friend. The founding fathers of the constitution
had seen quite enough of state enforced religious practices when they
started writing. Wise men.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:06:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Try looking at it from the viewpoint of the original Americans and it
might
be easier to understand the problem. This assumes, of course, that you
realize the original Americans were pagans, not Christians.

=============================================

The cynical definition of a pagan is someone who believes in a
different imaginary friend. The founding fathers of the constitution
had seen quite enough of state enforced religious practices when they
started writing. Wise men.


What???

Every Christian or Jew has an imaginary friend. The native Americans saw
divinity everywhere, and "state enforcement"??? How do you connect that idea
with their spiritual beliefs???

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:46:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:06:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Try looking at it from the viewpoint of the original Americans and it
might
be easier to understand the problem. This assumes, of course, that you
realize the original Americans were pagans, not Christians.

=============================================

The cynical definition of a pagan is someone who believes in a
different imaginary friend. The founding fathers of the constitution
had seen quite enough of state enforced religious practices when they
started writing. Wise men.


What???

Every Christian or Jew has an imaginary friend. The native Americans saw
divinity everywhere, and "state enforcement"??? How do you connect that idea
with their spiritual beliefs???

Sometime off line, I'll tell you the story of my experience with a
Navajo shaman - totally unscripted, off the beaten path kind of thing.

It was REALLY freaky and kind of scary in a way.

I've always believed in a spirit/other world for a lot of reasons, but
this experience just clinched it for me.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:46:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:06:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Try looking at it from the viewpoint of the original Americans and it
might
be easier to understand the problem. This assumes, of course, that you
realize the original Americans were pagans, not Christians.

=============================================

The cynical definition of a pagan is someone who believes in a
different imaginary friend. The founding fathers of the constitution
had seen quite enough of state enforced religious practices when they
started writing. Wise men.


What???

Every Christian or Jew has an imaginary friend. The native Americans saw
divinity everywhere, and "state enforcement"??? How do you connect that
idea
with their spiritual beliefs???

Sometime off line, I'll tell you the story of my experience with a
Navajo shaman - totally unscripted, off the beaten path kind of thing.

It was REALLY freaky and kind of scary in a way.

I've always believed in a spirit/other world for a lot of reasons, but
this experience just clinched it for me.

All the best,

Tom

That email address is real, Tom.

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:46:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

The native Americans saw
divinity everywhere, and "state enforcement"??? How do you connect that idea
with their spiritual beliefs???

===========================

Two unrelated thoughts, should have been a new paragraph. My bad.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:46:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

The native Americans saw
divinity everywhere, and "state enforcement"??? How do you connect that
idea
with their spiritual beliefs???

===========================

Two unrelated thoughts, should have been a new paragraph. My bad.


OK.

Meanwhile, I had a long discussion with a hydrangea yesterday. Not sure if
the two Molsons were in any way connected with the experience.

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:52:17 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:46:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

The native Americans saw
divinity everywhere, and "state enforcement"??? How do you connect that
idea
with their spiritual beliefs???

===========================

Two unrelated thoughts, should have been a new paragraph. My bad.


OK.

Meanwhile, I had a long discussion with a hydrangea yesterday. Not sure if
the two Molsons were in any way connected with the experience.

I just lost half of a very good raisin oatmeal cookie all over my
monitor. :)

Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown