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Wal-Mart does not hold anyone's head under water.
Wal-Mart's manpower needs are very different from
Microsoft's. Each pays the appropriate wage to attract
the talent they need. Neither is unionized.


Walmart screws people in order to gain a competitive advantage in the
marketplace.

Wal-Mart doesn't screw anyone. They offer employment,
and people voluntarily take it.


Because, unless they want to live on welfare and food stamps, there are
few other choices.

Read this and learn something...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Dec13.html

You'll see a quote from your hallowed Employment Policy Institute about
the fact that jobs being created are "low quality."

Is it better to have a low quality job, or no job at
all, asswipe?


Surely you'll find out

I have always known.


I'm sure you know a lot about low-quality jobs.

No, I know about $100,000+ jobs. I hold one.


So, you work 10 shifts at 7-11. BFD.

He says he's got a $100k+ "job" while he asserts being the Chief
Executive of a California corporation.

It's not a "job" if you're the founder and a corporate executive. Your
thin veil is thinner than I thought.

His semantics, not mine.

jps wrote:

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Jonathan Ball wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Jonathan Ball wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


Jonathan Ball wrote:



jps wrote:


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jps wrote:




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Wal-Mart does not hold anyone's head under water.
Wal-Mart's manpower needs are very different from
Microsoft's. Each pays the appropriate wage to attract
the talent they need. Neither is unionized.


Walmart screws people in order to gain a competitive advantage in the
marketplace.

Wal-Mart doesn't screw anyone. They offer employment,
and people voluntarily take it.


Because, unless they want to live on welfare and food stamps, there are
few other choices.

Read this and learn something...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Dec13.html

You'll see a quote from your hallowed Employment Policy Institute about
the fact that jobs being created are "low quality."

Is it better to have a low quality job, or no job at
all, asswipe?


Surely you'll find out

I have always known.


I'm sure you know a lot about low-quality jobs.

No, I know about $100,000+ jobs. I hold one.


So, you work 10 shifts at 7-11. BFD.

He says he's got a $100k+ "job" while he asserts being the Chief
Executive of a California corporation.

It's not a "job" if you're the founder and a corporate executive. Your
thin veil is thinner than I thought.

His semantics, not mine.


He's a snot-nosed college kid, living off of daddy's monthly checks.

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Sounds to me like you are taking power from the people and shipping it
to Washington.

Jerk,

Individual states would be welcome to exceed Federal standards if their
elected officials saw fit to pass legislation supporting such policies.

A Federal standard would ensure that, under no circumstances would
people be treated at less than a minimum standard.

So perhaps you can explain how that's not giving people power?


It's not giving the "people" power. It's giving government's power.

Dave

By setting a minimum standard of regard for human beings? I can't
imagine any reasoning that'd convince me that the power we give the
government to make this mandate wouldn't be worth it.

It's not taking power away from people, it's ensuring their well-being.

But the "power" is not theirs. Their "well-being" is at the whim of the
government.


Give it a shot if you must Dave but I think you'd be better off moving
onto an argument that's defensible.


You made the claim "power to the people", which is incorrect anytime you
have to depend on government to provide for you. True "power to the
people" would be the individual's power to determine their own destiny
independant of any governmental entity.

Dave


jps

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Don't use logic on JPS. It just confuses him.
LZ


Giggle all you want LZ, I think we need a national health policy that
looks after people in states that would be as backwards as possible
given the chance.

Oh, just another garden-variety communist.

Another elitist pig who thinks health should be the exclusive domain of
those who can afford it.

Another logically challeneged person who equates not giving a freebie
to someone with denying it to him.


Logic? A minimum standard for health in our country is illogical?

No, your fatuous belief that not giving something to
someone who hasn't paid for it is the same as "denying"
it to him. It isn't. You are wrong.

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Don't use logic on JPS. It just confuses him.
LZ


Giggle all you want LZ, I think we need a national health policy that
looks after people in states that would be as backwards as possible
given the chance.

Oh, just another garden-variety communist.

Another elitist pig who thinks health should be the exclusive domain of
those who can afford it.

Another logically challeneged person who equates not giving a freebie
to someone with denying it to him.

Logic? A minimum standard for health in our country is illogical?
Caring for the infirmed is "giving a freebie?"

I suppose those who cannot care for themselves should just whither and
die? Can we send them to your neighborhood? Where would you like them
to go.

Another pig who thinks health is the exclusive domain of those who can
afford it.

Come over to my house and clean out my septic tank.

Why are you denying me a clear septic tank? What are you, some kind
of cold hearted elitist pig?

Mark Neglay wrote:

Why are you denying me a clear septic tank?

Because a really clean septic tank won't work.

Is that what you want?

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You made the claim "power to the people", which is incorrect anytime you
have to depend on government to provide for you. True "power to the
people" would be the individual's power to determine their own destiny
independant of any governmental entity.

Well Dave, as soon as you become an MD you too can have control over
diagnosing and prescribing treatment and medication for yourself. Of
course, you'll have to have training in all disciplines of medicine if
you expect to have power to determine "your own destiny."

Get real.

What we were discussing is a living wage and what's necessary for a
person to live a decent life that includes food, a house, heat and a way
to be able to consult a doctor and be cared for when you're ailing.

You've already said that poor folks who don't have medical coverage or
access to health care should just go die somewhere so I don't see where
this thread is taking us.

You and I disagree on the basic value of a human life.

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Don't use logic on JPS. It just confuses him.
LZ


Giggle all you want LZ, I think we need a national health policy that
looks after people in states that would be as backwards as possible
given the chance.

Oh, just another garden-variety communist.

Another elitist pig who thinks health should be the exclusive domain of
those who can afford it.

Another logically challeneged person who equates not giving a freebie
to someone with denying it to him.

Logic? A minimum standard for health in our country is illogical?
Caring for the infirmed is "giving a freebie?"

I suppose those who cannot care for themselves should just whither and
die? Can we send them to your neighborhood? Where would you like them
to go.

Another pig who thinks health is the exclusive domain of those who can
afford it.

Come over to my house and clean out my septic tank.

Why are you denying me a clear septic tank? What are you, some kind
of cold hearted elitist pig?

Well, fine bit of logic applied to the problem of health care for poor
Americans. Foolish of me to expect a cold hearted idiot who equates a
clean septic tank to health care for our society's citizenry to
understand.

You a bean counter too? How many turds you figure that septic tank can
hold, not counting yourself?

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Don't use logic on JPS. It just confuses him.
LZ


Giggle all you want LZ, I think we need a national health policy that
looks after people in states that would be as backwards as possible
given the chance.

Oh, just another garden-variety communist.

Another elitist pig who thinks health should be the exclusive domain of
those who can afford it.

Another logically challeneged person who equates not giving a freebie
to someone with denying it to him.

Logic? A minimum standard for health in our country is illogical?
Caring for the infirmed is "giving a freebie?"

I suppose those who cannot care for themselves should just whither and
die? Can we send them to your neighborhood? Where would you like them
to go.

Another pig who thinks health is the exclusive domain of those who can
afford it.

Come over to my house and clean out my septic tank.

Why are you denying me a clear septic tank? What are you, some kind
of cold hearted elitist pig?

Well, fine bit of logic applied to the problem of health care for poor
Americans. Foolish of me to expect a cold hearted idiot who equates a
clean septic tank to health care for our society's citizenry to
understand.

You a bean counter too? How many turds you figure that septic tank can
hold, not counting yourself?

Do I or do I not have a right to have a functioning septic tank?