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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
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What you say is true, but isn't it also the American way to buy
American? If we buy foreign, won't we have to match the wages paid to
foreign workers to stay competitive. What kind of Texan would do well on a
staple diet of rice? What kind of boat could you afford with the
competitor's wages? It's nice to get the cheapest price, but what will it

do
to America in the long run. I'll pay more to support my neighbor's job. I
hope he'll support mine.
Paul


Go through your house. Toss everything that is not all 100% US made. Write
back and tell us what you have left. Even a lot of parts you have on your
"American" Chevy or Ford were made out of the US. Don't forget those.

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If you consider the quality of these employees, you would find them at the local
Taco Bell or on the street if they didn't work there. We're not talking about
skilled labor. These are generally kids who only show up for a paycheck.

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:

Roy wrote:


Well if Wal Mart is continually rolling back prices everyday as they
claim to be, then, why is nothing being given away for free yet?

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Their employees are almost free...


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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
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Chuck,
Correct, after they corner the market, they can charge what ever they
like, they'll be no more competitors left.
Paul


Then somebody else will open another store. Its not like there is a limited
supply of stores that can ever be opened.


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Dan Krueger wrote:

If you consider the quality of these employees, you would find them at the local
Taco Bell or on the street if they didn't work there. We're not talking about
skilled labor. These are generally kids who only show up for a paycheck.

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:

Roy wrote:


Well if Wal Mart is continually rolling back prices everyday as they
claim to be, then, why is nothing being given away for free yet?

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Their employees are almost free...



Most of the folks who work at Wal-Mart are not kids. Many of them depend
upon that little Wal-Mart paycheck. These people are being exploited by
Wal-Mart, as is just about everyone else.


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Then somebody else will open another store.

and sell what?

a retailer needs a supplier not already in bed with Walmart


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Gould 0738 wrote:
Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.




Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying.


It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy
any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in
a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every
opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never
will.........

When they want to carry
toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for
labor or lose out.


It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it
so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you
win, but sorry competition is competition.

It's you the consumer, if you can get the same quality at a lower price
, then exercise your free choice & buy what you want. Thank people like
Walmart for taking the commercial risks involved in protecting your
right to choose.


WALMART doesn't tell a mfg that they *must* build in China- only that if they
can't meet or beat the price of those who do they are, effectively, out of
business starting next month.


China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're
communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China &
exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in
the US, no it's all govt. "planned".

They have zones which allow certain factories to be built for export &
it's mostly only the big people who can meet their endless "rules", then
& only then will that factory be "allowed" (licensed) to export.

Yes they give free sites in the "zones" & assistance to encourage big
players to set up there, however once in operation they try to tax the
bejeesus out of any profits etc, needless to say the mostly US owned
factories, can play that game reasonably well. The end result is with
all the surrounding BS corruption & featherbedding of "licensed"
middlemen China is not "cheap.

I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as
they remain socialist we're safe.


What will the next sacrifice be? Quality?


Very well maybe, although walmart stuff isn't exactly high tech:-),
whatever don't worry about it too much Chuck because you'll still have
your free choice to assess if the quality price mix suits you before you
buy, just allow every other individual the same free choice that's all.

I can assure you if individuals weren't buying things they wouldn't be
selling them for long.

Or, when WALMART can no longer increase profits by forcing suppliers to cheaper
sources of labor,


Again this is your socialist mantra, "wages" are a small part of the
issue, it's the union demanded BS that really costs & then the silent
partners at ever turn which make the license holders, corruption, etc.
in China look tame.

Even the local council tries to "extra" tax Corps in the GM style
what's good for us is good for ....

Anyone not subject to rigorous & constant pressure from competition
gets slack, excessive wages & perks leach like leeches through every
sector, one always trying to best the other & the only thing that puts
any sort of lid on it is consumer resistance at the retail level when
the price/quality mix gets too far out of whack.


will WALMART raise prices? Will we soon be paying as much as
we used to pay for a US built, item but buying stuff from China instead?


It's always "your" individual choice, there will always be people eager
to supply widgets from somewhere, even from within the US at a lower
price, it's giving each individual that free choice that you should be
worried about protecting, not corrupt union thugs ala Harry.


WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no
benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient
workers volunteer
to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company
store."

This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just
parrot it.

If you artificially protect anyone, worker, management, Corp, or
whatever from competition they will have no incentive to be efficient.

Yes in the short term the "chosen" noisy few will clean up big time
because they can just raise prices or lower quality & there's not much
you the consumer can do, they've effectively stolen your free choice.
These few industries rarely actually sell much overseas because....,
well they're overpriced & low quality so other consumers who still have
a choice just laugh.

Needless to say with no market expansion available these "chosen" noisy
few who are effectively stealing from every other non protected
worker/consumer just sit back & well...... become Harrys behind their
wall of protection & apparent union power.

Notice how unions seem to predominate in the industries that need the
rest of you to subsidise that sector every time you buy??? even if you
purchase the imported item, you're still subsidising the parasites???

So your country gets less & less foreign dollars in to pay these
overpriced lower quality manufacturers, which means your country needs
to borrow more money from overseas (you're the one wingeing about this
just the other day Chuck) so either your currency drops (i.e most things
will cost more because debts effectively go up) or your interest rates
go up to attract more foreign money (i.e. most things cost more)

I give you your car industry as an historical case study or you can
watch it in real time with your steel industry. (ours too by the way,
but the players are the same:-)

In Walmart's world, there is no middle class. Unless $9 an hour, with a few
extra hours thrown in unpaid every week, is going to be the new "middle class."


It's not the shareholders of Walmart's job to protect you nor anyone
else, they take a considerable risk with their own money by investing in
walmart, hoping to make a return better than putting it in safe banks
interest etc. In order to make that return walmart are just trying to
satisfy your demands for products that meet your standards of price vs
quality.

Sure you can be a good little socialist soldier & refuse to buy things
from China in an extra effort to subsidise your unionist mates, or slack
management, or voracious local authorities, state govts making
unrealistic demands, or the noisy greenies, that's hopefully always your
choice & you should be thankful they're there giving it to you. But let
others have the same "free" choice.

All levels need constant pressure on them to be more efficient
particularly in the west the "silent" partners, the instrumentalities,
the councils, the state govts, the unilateralists.

I give you CA as a case study. (Can it be right 1 in 7 workers is on
the govt payroll??? scary bananas!!)


In Walmart's World, there are some opportunities for better income. If you're
willing to work 50-51 weeks a year, 12-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, you can
eventually rise to "store manager" and approach 6-figures a year. :-(


So what you're saying is all US corps should be "protected" from
competition so they can be as inefficient as they like, badly managed as
they like, pay whatever their local competition pays when the union make
industry wide claims, so even at the individual's level a good hard &
smart worker gets no more than a Harry type.??? America won't be great
much longer if you try that, even a little.


One of the great hypocrisies of the WalMart culture is the great emphasis on
quality "family" experiences. How many of the managers working 80 hours a week
or more have any quality time left to spend with the family? How many of the
people earing $9 an hour get to go home after work, rather than to the
second,part time job they need to pay basic living expenses?


So again you're a protectionist, which usually means you want someone
else to subsidise your lifestyle every time they purchase something, &
you want to be exempt from any competitive pressure to individually
perform. Thankfully it's mostly only the Harry types that subscribe to
this view.




K

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K Smith wrote:
Gould 0738 wrote:
Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.




Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying.


It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy
any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in
a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every
opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never
will.........

When they want to carry
toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for
labor or lose out.


It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it
so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you
win, but sorry competition is competition.



It's actually the fight for the bottom.

You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen.




China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're
communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China &
exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in
the US, no it's all govt. "planned".



China uses slave labor and labor that is grossly underpaid even by the
total absence of any sort of standards.




I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as
they remain socialist we're safe.


Safe from what? You?





WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no
benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient
workers volunteer
to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company
store."

This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just
parrot it.



It's absolute truth.

Yet another overwrought, right-wing post from Karen Elizabeth Smith of
Australia, who once again proves that she doesn't know scheiss from
shoepolish.

How's that non-existent factory of yours, Karen? Your production line is
up to what, zero diesel outboards a week? Cripes, you even stole someone
else's trademark.






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Wal-mart forces customers to shop only there through the fact that by
sheer size (ignore the pressure they apply to manufacturers that I
mentioned above for the moment) they can and do run any other
competition in a town out, leaving no option.


They don't force the customer to do ANYTHING. Customers get what they
deserve. They're lazy, so they never figure out that they can get any
product they want, anywhere they want, as cheaply as they can at Wal Mart.

1) Big ticket items: How often does one family buy a TV? So, they buy a $250
Sanyo TV at Wal Mart, and probably never discover that they could've had the
same set at Circuit City for the same price or better. Wal Mart may have
more stores, but they actually buy less TVs than Best Buy, Sears or Circuit
City. The customer doesn't shop for a TV that often, and less "buying
cycles" means there's almost no possibility that they'll discover they
could've gotten a better deal.

2) Groceries: In fact, if customers did what newspaper reporters sometimes
do, and compare prices for SPECIFIC AND EQUIVALENT ITEMS OVER SEVERAL
SHOPPING TRIPS, they'd find that they actually spend the same or less at
traditional supermarkets. But, customers don't do this. They're sheep. They
believe whatever they're told, and WM tells them everything's cheaper there.
What's pathetic is that with groceries, you have an opportunity every single
week to see that you're being snookered. If your idea of a bargain is saving
82 cents on a $150 cart of groceries, and waiting 40 minutes in line to pay
for it, then you're a shmuck, your time is worthless, and you deserve to
spend half your afternoon at WM. This is especially true if you make the
same mistake 52 or more times per year.

3) Clothing: Who the hell knows? So much of it's proprietary to WM that you
can't comparison shop. But, if you can't tell the difference between a $12
Lands End T-shirt that lasts for 8 years and still looks good, and a $2.00
rag from WM, then you should buy the rag. As far as equivalent brands, I
just shopped for jeans and found Sears to be a buck cheaper than WM for the
exact same product. If WM had my size, I would've bought it, rather than
guzzle a gallon of gas going to Sears, but it doesn't change the fact that
the jeans would've have been cheaper somewhere else.



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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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It's truly very simple. If the customer wants the 413 gram box, they

drive
past Wally World and show up at Loblaw's. WAIT! Hasn't that mega-chain

run
Mom and Pop grocers out of business?


Uh....yeah. thirty or forty years ago.


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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Then somebody else will open another store.


and sell what?

a retailer needs a supplier not already in bed with Walmart


The only suppliers that would be fatally hurt without WM are the ones which
make their private label goods.

As far as being in bed with WM, they treat their suppliers so badly that if
another retailer came along who could move the necessary volume, they'd head
in that direction very quickly. A friend of mine does sales training, and he
was recently speaking to a group of wholesale sporting goods reps. He got a
tip: Don't bother looking for a good selection of Shakespeare rods & reels
at WM in certain markets. The goods are being shuffled to stores like Gander
Mountain Sports, who've insisted that there be "shortages" for Wal Mart.
Prices are very slightly higher at Gander Mountain, but nothing that would
bother the retail customer.

The reasoning my friend was given was very simple: Upscale stores will also
sell St Croix & Browning fishing rods, and that lends an air of quality even
to the cheaper stuff that's two feet away in the display rack. Shakespeare
sells MORE rods, not less. So does Shimano and everyone else.


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