"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
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If you consider the quality of these employees, you would find them at the
local
Taco Bell or on the street if they didn't work there. We're not talking
about
skilled labor. These are generally kids who only show up for a paycheck.

Dan

Meanwhile, I've been to 2 K-Mart stores over the past month and found the
employees to be what you'd expect to find in a custom shoe store in Italy.
Attentive, clean, smart, helped me get everything I needed quickly. Nothing
like the WM slobs who are not just unable to help find a specific item, but
sometimes can't even tell me where an entire department is. Looks like
K-Mart's looking to burn a competitor or two.

Steve,
I understand your point and you're right, clothes and electronics are
very hard to buy American. Perhaps at this rate we'll no longer be able to
buy anything American because we'll mostly be out of work Dell is now out
sourcing it's help line to India, seems there is no end in sight.
Paul

"SteveB" wrote in message
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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
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What you say is true, but isn't it also the American way to buy
American? If we buy foreign, won't we have to match the wages paid to
foreign workers to stay competitive. What kind of Texan would do well on
a
staple diet of rice? What kind of boat could you afford with the
competitor's wages? It's nice to get the cheapest price, but what will
it
do
to America in the long run. I'll pay more to support my neighbor's job.
I
hope he'll support mine.
Paul

Go through your house. Toss everything that is not all 100% US made.
Write
back and tell us what you have left. Even a lot of parts you have on your
"American" Chevy or Ford were made out of the US. Don't forget those.

Steve

Paul Schilter wrote:

Steve,
I understand your point and you're right, clothes and electronics are
very hard to buy American.

Why would it be important to do so?
Nativist/protectionist sentiment is a bad thing.

Perhaps at this rate we'll no longer be able to
buy anything American because we'll mostly be out of work Dell is now out
sourcing it's help line to India, seems there is no end in sight.
Paul

"SteveB" wrote in message
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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
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What you say is true, but isn't it also the American way to buy
American? If we buy foreign, won't we have to match the wages paid to
foreign workers to stay competitive. What kind of Texan would do well on

a

staple diet of rice? What kind of boat could you afford with the
competitor's wages? It's nice to get the cheapest price, but what will

it

do

to America in the long run. I'll pay more to support my neighbor's job.

I

hope he'll support mine.
Paul

Go through your house. Toss everything that is not all 100% US made.

Write

back and tell us what you have left. Even a lot of parts you have on your
"American" Chevy or Ford were made out of the US. Don't forget those.

Steve

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
Tex,
What you say is true, but isn't it also the American way to buy
American?

I always tried to do that with clothing because there was a point where I
began to notice that the quality was MUCH better. Now, just TRY and find
clothing or shoes made here. It's next to impossible.

Cars are another story. My first two cars were American, and due to constant
problems, they almost put ME out of work. Once you realize you're being bent
over like a newcomer in a prison, it's silly to submit to more or the same
treatment.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Cars are another story. My first two cars were American, and due to
constant
problems, they almost put ME out of work. Once you realize you're being
bent
over like a newcomer in a prison, it's silly to submit to more or the same
treatment.

My Chrysler was made in Mexico, my neighbor's Chrysler was made in Canada.
The two Hondas across the street were made in Ohio. What is an American
car?

Tex

"Tex Houston" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Cars are another story. My first two cars were American, and due to
constant
problems, they almost put ME out of work. Once you realize you're being
bent
over like a newcomer in a prison, it's silly to submit to more or the
same
treatment.

My Chrysler was made in Mexico, my neighbor's Chrysler was made in Canada.
The two Hondas across the street were made in Ohio. What is an American
car?

Tex


At this point (since Japanese cars are rarely made there any more), it seems
to be a question of design and tolerances, and that apparently makes all the
difference in the world. You don't say which Chrysler you have, but chances
are good that it'll be burning oil by its second year. All Chrysler vans do
that, without exception, and relatively new Neons also smell pretty nasty
when you're driving behind one. A Toyota won't do that until 200k miles
unless you abuse the bejezus out of it. I had a 1982 Tercel that reached
180k miles. On the day someone smashed into it at 70mph and killed it, I
cleaned my stuff out of the trunk before it was towed and found I had the
same unopened bottle of oil I'd placed there on the day I bought it. The car
ran clean as a whistle at that age, with compression better than spec across
all 4 cylinders.

An engineer could explain why the American designers can't seem to do this.

Hi Tex. Well, the Honda is Japanese and the Chrysler is German, so,
neither is American.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

"Tex Houston" wrote in message
...
My Chrysler was made in Mexico, my neighbor's Chrysler was made in Canada.
The two Hondas across the street were made in Ohio. What is an American
car?

Tex

Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.



Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. When they want to carry
toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for
labor or lose out.

WALMART doesn't tell a mfg that they *must* build in China- only that if they
can't meet or beat the price of those who do they are, effectively, out of
business starting next month.

What will the next sacrifice be? Quality?
Or, when WALMART can no longer increase profits by forcing suppliers to cheaper
sources of labor, will WALMART raise prices? Will we soon be paying as much as
we used to pay for a US built, item but buying stuff from China instead?

WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no
benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient
workers volunteer
to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company
store."

In Walmart's world, there is no middle class. Unless $9 an hour, with a few
extra hours thrown in unpaid every week, is going to be the new "middle class."

In Walmart's World, there are some opportunities for better income. If you're
willing to work 50-51 weeks a year, 12-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, you can
eventually rise to "store manager" and approach 6-figures a year. :-(

One of the great hypocrisies of the WalMart culture is the great emphasis on
quality "family" experiences. How many of the managers working 80 hours a week
or more have any quality time left to spend with the family? How many of the
people earing $9 an hour get to go home after work, rather than to the
second,part time job they need to pay basic living expenses?

You want to pay high prices while everyone else pays low prices? Go
ahead and be a Wal-Martyr if you want.

Your statement illustrates the problem:
For most consumers, the only decision to make is *price.*

If Osama Bin Ladin figured out how to supply new, HDTV flat screen televisions
to the US market for $129 a copy- millions of people would line up to buy them
and use "low price, free market," defenses for an anti-American decision.

Keep on giving your paycheck to WalMart.
When we finally arrive at where they are tyring to take us, you'll wonder how
the heck we ever got there. And where did that "low price" go, anyway?

Chuck,
Correct, after they corner the market, they can charge what ever they
like, they'll be no more competitors left.
Paul

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
You want to pay high prices while everyone else pays low prices? Go
ahead and be a Wal-Martyr if you want.

Your statement illustrates the problem:
For most consumers, the only decision to make is *price.*

If Osama Bin Ladin figured out how to supply new, HDTV flat screen
televisions
to the US market for $129 a copy- millions of people would line up to buy
them
and use "low price, free market," defenses for an anti-American decision.

Keep on giving your paycheck to WalMart.
When we finally arrive at where they are tyring to take us, you'll wonder
how
the heck we ever got there. And where did that "low price" go, anyway?