Gould 0738 wrote:
Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.




Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying.

It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy
any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in
a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every
opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never
will.........

When they want to carry
toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for
labor or lose out.

It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it
so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you
win, but sorry competition is competition.

It's you the consumer, if you can get the same quality at a lower price
, then exercise your free choice & buy what you want. Thank people like
Walmart for taking the commercial risks involved in protecting your
right to choose.


WALMART doesn't tell a mfg that they *must* build in China- only that if they
can't meet or beat the price of those who do they are, effectively, out of
business starting next month.

China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're
communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China &
exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in
the US, no it's all govt. "planned".

They have zones which allow certain factories to be built for export &
it's mostly only the big people who can meet their endless "rules", then
& only then will that factory be "allowed" (licensed) to export.

Yes they give free sites in the "zones" & assistance to encourage big
players to set up there, however once in operation they try to tax the
bejeesus out of any profits etc, needless to say the mostly US owned
factories, can play that game reasonably well. The end result is with
all the surrounding BS corruption & featherbedding of "licensed"
middlemen China is not "cheap.

I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as
they remain socialist we're safe.


What will the next sacrifice be? Quality?

Very well maybe, although walmart stuff isn't exactly high tech:-),
whatever don't worry about it too much Chuck because you'll still have
your free choice to assess if the quality price mix suits you before you
buy, just allow every other individual the same free choice that's all.

I can assure you if individuals weren't buying things they wouldn't be
selling them for long.

Or, when WALMART can no longer increase profits by forcing suppliers to cheaper
sources of labor,

Again this is your socialist mantra, "wages" are a small part of the
issue, it's the union demanded BS that really costs & then the silent
partners at ever turn which make the license holders, corruption, etc.
in China look tame.

Even the local council tries to "extra" tax Corps in the GM style
what's good for us is good for ....

Anyone not subject to rigorous & constant pressure from competition
gets slack, excessive wages & perks leach like leeches through every
sector, one always trying to best the other & the only thing that puts
any sort of lid on it is consumer resistance at the retail level when
the price/quality mix gets too far out of whack.


will WALMART raise prices? Will we soon be paying as much as
we used to pay for a US built, item but buying stuff from China instead?

It's always "your" individual choice, there will always be people eager
to supply widgets from somewhere, even from within the US at a lower
price, it's giving each individual that free choice that you should be
worried about protecting, not corrupt union thugs ala Harry.


WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no
benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient
workers volunteer
to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company
store."

This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just
parrot it.

If you artificially protect anyone, worker, management, Corp, or
whatever from competition they will have no incentive to be efficient.

Yes in the short term the "chosen" noisy few will clean up big time
because they can just raise prices or lower quality & there's not much
you the consumer can do, they've effectively stolen your free choice.
These few industries rarely actually sell much overseas because....,
well they're overpriced & low quality so other consumers who still have
a choice just laugh.

Needless to say with no market expansion available these "chosen" noisy
few who are effectively stealing from every other non protected
worker/consumer just sit back & well...... become Harrys behind their
wall of protection & apparent union power.

Notice how unions seem to predominate in the industries that need the
rest of you to subsidise that sector every time you buy??? even if you
purchase the imported item, you're still subsidising the parasites???

So your country gets less & less foreign dollars in to pay these
overpriced lower quality manufacturers, which means your country needs
to borrow more money from overseas (you're the one wingeing about this
just the other day Chuck) so either your currency drops (i.e most things
will cost more because debts effectively go up) or your interest rates
go up to attract more foreign money (i.e. most things cost more)

I give you your car industry as an historical case study or you can
watch it in real time with your steel industry. (ours too by the way,
but the players are the same:-)

In Walmart's world, there is no middle class. Unless $9 an hour, with a few
extra hours thrown in unpaid every week, is going to be the new "middle class."

It's not the shareholders of Walmart's job to protect you nor anyone
else, they take a considerable risk with their own money by investing in
walmart, hoping to make a return better than putting it in safe banks
interest etc. In order to make that return walmart are just trying to
satisfy your demands for products that meet your standards of price vs
quality.

Sure you can be a good little socialist soldier & refuse to buy things
from China in an extra effort to subsidise your unionist mates, or slack
management, or voracious local authorities, state govts making
unrealistic demands, or the noisy greenies, that's hopefully always your
choice & you should be thankful they're there giving it to you. But let
others have the same "free" choice.

All levels need constant pressure on them to be more efficient
particularly in the west the "silent" partners, the instrumentalities,
the councils, the state govts, the unilateralists.

I give you CA as a case study. (Can it be right 1 in 7 workers is on
the govt payroll??? scary bananas!!)


In Walmart's World, there are some opportunities for better income. If you're
willing to work 50-51 weeks a year, 12-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, you can
eventually rise to "store manager" and approach 6-figures a year. :-(

So what you're saying is all US corps should be "protected" from
competition so they can be as inefficient as they like, badly managed as
they like, pay whatever their local competition pays when the union make
industry wide claims, so even at the individual's level a good hard &
smart worker gets no more than a Harry type.??? America won't be great
much longer if you try that, even a little.


One of the great hypocrisies of the WalMart culture is the great emphasis on
quality "family" experiences. How many of the managers working 80 hours a week
or more have any quality time left to spend with the family? How many of the
people earing $9 an hour get to go home after work, rather than to the
second,part time job they need to pay basic living expenses?

So again you're a protectionist, which usually means you want someone
else to subsidise your lifestyle every time they purchase something, &
you want to be exempt from any competitive pressure to individually
perform. Thankfully it's mostly only the Harry types that subscribe to
this view.




K