"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
Chuck,
Correct, after they corner the market, they can charge what ever they
like, they'll be no more competitors left.
Paul

Then somebody else will open another store. Its not like there is a limited
supply of stores that can ever be opened.

Then somebody else will open another store.

and sell what?

a retailer needs a supplier not already in bed with Walmart

-v-,
Somebody else opening a store at that point is like trying to go into
the car business today, DeLorian tried a couple others as well but it's hard
to compete against the big boys. Probably the only exception are those
intended for a small, rich, nitch market. The thing is can you match the
foreign labor rates to compete?
Paul

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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
Chuck,
Correct, after they corner the market, they can charge what ever
they
like, they'll be no more competitors left.
Paul

Then somebody else will open another store. Its not like there is a
limited
supply of stores that can ever be opened.

Chuck,
I agree with you. I try to give my business to the small business owner.
They are the ones who pioneered to make this country what it was. At the
present rate the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. We know what that
eventually leads to. Government should represent the people as a whole
rather than the rich political special interest groups. Enough said.
Paul

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.



Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. When they want to carry
toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters
down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to
China for
labor or lose out.

WALMART doesn't tell a mfg that they *must* build in China- only that if
they
can't meet or beat the price of those who do they are, effectively, out of
business starting next month.

What will the next sacrifice be? Quality?
Or, when WALMART can no longer increase profits by forcing suppliers to
cheaper
sources of labor, will WALMART raise prices? Will we soon be paying as
much as
we used to pay for a US built, item but buying stuff from China instead?

WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no
benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient
workers volunteer
to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company
store."

In Walmart's world, there is no middle class. Unless $9 an hour, with a
few
extra hours thrown in unpaid every week, is going to be the new "middle
class."

In Walmart's World, there are some opportunities for better income. If
you're
willing to work 50-51 weeks a year, 12-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week,
you can
eventually rise to "store manager" and approach 6-figures a year. :-(

One of the great hypocrisies of the WalMart culture is the great emphasis
on
quality "family" experiences. How many of the managers working 80 hours a
week
or more have any quality time left to spend with the family? How many of
the
people earing $9 an hour get to go home after work, rather than to the
second,part time job they need to pay basic living expenses?

Gould 0738 wrote:
Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.




Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying.

It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy
any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in
a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every
opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never
will.........

When they want to carry
toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for
labor or lose out.

It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it
so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you
win, but sorry competition is competition.

It's you the consumer, if you can get the same quality at a lower price
, then exercise your free choice & buy what you want. Thank people like
Walmart for taking the commercial risks involved in protecting your
right to choose.


WALMART doesn't tell a mfg that they *must* build in China- only that if they
can't meet or beat the price of those who do they are, effectively, out of
business starting next month.

China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're
communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China &
exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in
the US, no it's all govt. "planned".

They have zones which allow certain factories to be built for export &
it's mostly only the big people who can meet their endless "rules", then
& only then will that factory be "allowed" (licensed) to export.

Yes they give free sites in the "zones" & assistance to encourage big
players to set up there, however once in operation they try to tax the
bejeesus out of any profits etc, needless to say the mostly US owned
factories, can play that game reasonably well. The end result is with
all the surrounding BS corruption & featherbedding of "licensed"
middlemen China is not "cheap.

I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as
they remain socialist we're safe.


What will the next sacrifice be? Quality?

Very well maybe, although walmart stuff isn't exactly high tech:-),
whatever don't worry about it too much Chuck because you'll still have
your free choice to assess if the quality price mix suits you before you
buy, just allow every other individual the same free choice that's all.

I can assure you if individuals weren't buying things they wouldn't be
selling them for long.

Or, when WALMART can no longer increase profits by forcing suppliers to cheaper
sources of labor,

Again this is your socialist mantra, "wages" are a small part of the
issue, it's the union demanded BS that really costs & then the silent
partners at ever turn which make the license holders, corruption, etc.
in China look tame.

Even the local council tries to "extra" tax Corps in the GM style
what's good for us is good for ....

Anyone not subject to rigorous & constant pressure from competition
gets slack, excessive wages & perks leach like leeches through every
sector, one always trying to best the other & the only thing that puts
any sort of lid on it is consumer resistance at the retail level when
the price/quality mix gets too far out of whack.


will WALMART raise prices? Will we soon be paying as much as
we used to pay for a US built, item but buying stuff from China instead?

It's always "your" individual choice, there will always be people eager
to supply widgets from somewhere, even from within the US at a lower
price, it's giving each individual that free choice that you should be
worried about protecting, not corrupt union thugs ala Harry.


WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no
benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient
workers volunteer
to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company
store."

This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just
parrot it.

If you artificially protect anyone, worker, management, Corp, or
whatever from competition they will have no incentive to be efficient.

Yes in the short term the "chosen" noisy few will clean up big time
because they can just raise prices or lower quality & there's not much
you the consumer can do, they've effectively stolen your free choice.
These few industries rarely actually sell much overseas because....,
well they're overpriced & low quality so other consumers who still have
a choice just laugh.

Needless to say with no market expansion available these "chosen" noisy
few who are effectively stealing from every other non protected
worker/consumer just sit back & well...... become Harrys behind their
wall of protection & apparent union power.

Notice how unions seem to predominate in the industries that need the
rest of you to subsidise that sector every time you buy??? even if you
purchase the imported item, you're still subsidising the parasites???

So your country gets less & less foreign dollars in to pay these
overpriced lower quality manufacturers, which means your country needs
to borrow more money from overseas (you're the one wingeing about this
just the other day Chuck) so either your currency drops (i.e most things
will cost more because debts effectively go up) or your interest rates
go up to attract more foreign money (i.e. most things cost more)

I give you your car industry as an historical case study or you can
watch it in real time with your steel industry. (ours too by the way,
but the players are the same:-)

In Walmart's world, there is no middle class. Unless $9 an hour, with a few
extra hours thrown in unpaid every week, is going to be the new "middle class."

It's not the shareholders of Walmart's job to protect you nor anyone
else, they take a considerable risk with their own money by investing in
walmart, hoping to make a return better than putting it in safe banks
interest etc. In order to make that return walmart are just trying to
satisfy your demands for products that meet your standards of price vs
quality.

Sure you can be a good little socialist soldier & refuse to buy things
from China in an extra effort to subsidise your unionist mates, or slack
management, or voracious local authorities, state govts making
unrealistic demands, or the noisy greenies, that's hopefully always your
choice & you should be thankful they're there giving it to you. But let
others have the same "free" choice.

All levels need constant pressure on them to be more efficient
particularly in the west the "silent" partners, the instrumentalities,
the councils, the state govts, the unilateralists.

I give you CA as a case study. (Can it be right 1 in 7 workers is on
the govt payroll??? scary bananas!!)


In Walmart's World, there are some opportunities for better income. If you're
willing to work 50-51 weeks a year, 12-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, you can
eventually rise to "store manager" and approach 6-figures a year. :-(

So what you're saying is all US corps should be "protected" from
competition so they can be as inefficient as they like, badly managed as
they like, pay whatever their local competition pays when the union make
industry wide claims, so even at the individual's level a good hard &
smart worker gets no more than a Harry type.??? America won't be great
much longer if you try that, even a little.


One of the great hypocrisies of the WalMart culture is the great emphasis on
quality "family" experiences. How many of the managers working 80 hours a week
or more have any quality time left to spend with the family? How many of the
people earing $9 an hour get to go home after work, rather than to the
second,part time job they need to pay basic living expenses?

So again you're a protectionist, which usually means you want someone
else to subsidise your lifestyle every time they purchase something, &
you want to be exempt from any competitive pressure to individually
perform. Thankfully it's mostly only the Harry types that subscribe to
this view.




K

K Smith wrote:
Gould 0738 wrote:
Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.




Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying.

It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy
any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in
a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every
opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never
will.........

When they want to carry
toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for
labor or lose out.

It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it
so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you
win, but sorry competition is competition.


It's actually the fight for the bottom.

You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen.




China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're
communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China &
exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in
the US, no it's all govt. "planned".


China uses slave labor and labor that is grossly underpaid even by the
total absence of any sort of standards.




I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as
they remain socialist we're safe.

Safe from what? You?





WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no
benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient
workers volunteer
to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company
store."

This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just
parrot it.


It's absolute truth.

Yet another overwrought, right-wing post from Karen Elizabeth Smith of
Australia, who once again proves that she doesn't know scheiss from
shoepolish.

How's that non-existent factory of yours, Karen? Your production line is
up to what, zero diesel outboards a week? Cripes, you even stole someone
else's trademark.






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Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote:

Gould 0738 wrote:

Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.




Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying.

It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy
any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in
a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every
opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never
will.........

When they want to carry

toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for
labor or lose out.

It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it
so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you
win, but sorry competition is competition.



It's actually the fight for the bottom.

You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen.

Now there's the usual Harry abuse.




China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're
communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China &
exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in
the US, no it's all govt. "planned".



China uses slave labor and labor that is grossly underpaid even by the
total absence of any sort of standards.

So because you're a racist this is just you saying the Chinese are
stupid, well guess what............




I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as
they remain socialist we're safe.


Safe from what? You?

Safe from you union types.





WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no
benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient
workers volunteer
to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company
store."


This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just
parrot it.



It's absolute truth.

Yet another overwrought, right-wing post from Karen Elizabeth Smith of
Australia, who once again proves that she doesn't know scheiss from
shoepolish.

How's that non-existent factory of yours, Karen? Your production line is
up to what, zero diesel outboards a week? Cripes, you even stole someone
else's trademark.

You & your simpleton mate Jack the whack, don't seem to know much.
There are "classes" Harry, if you look there are many many registrations
of the exact same trade marks in most jurisdictions, last time I looked
there were about 18 in the US of mine. You know toys vs marine
engines???? Surely even you can grasp this simple concept????

However the name can only be validly registered once in each "class".
That's why I have the exact same mark registered twice here & only one
there.

I know better than to expect the truth from you of course.

K

Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even
put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was
his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't
like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top stories over
the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the centre of
attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's never once
been even a shred of independently verifiable material.

After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most frightening, I do
suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride" story is his
delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered, treating
psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for what??
over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a small
part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)


1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of
"bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.

2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am entitled to
break them in exercise of my license.

3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly
referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.

4. She's 20 years younger than I am.



Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political" consulting
jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a
couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the
races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I
actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract
that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was
offered a job up here that represented a significant professional career
move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of
it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well,
really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer
and my bride just returned from a business trip there.

I swear this is true.


Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.

So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did
you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
water...?"

Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own
a boat?
And why are you so crabby?
Maybe these two factors are related?



One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car
every day, but she doesn't own it.

I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your
wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you
turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.

No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with,
if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to
the Gulf Stream.


Bride and I caught and released:

1 white marlin
12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish.
Assorted red snappers
1 amberjack
2 jack crevalle jacks
1 snook
Nondescript sharks

Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
hospital for forensic patients?
Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for
substance abusers?
Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately
half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help
for substance abuse problems?


Licensed psychotherapist
Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus, at
the same
time, supervision by a licensed professional.
Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist for
two years
of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed
practitioners
Four hour written examination on state laws
Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice

My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final internship
was as a
psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric hospital
where, on a
daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier.

My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state
mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous
sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such "treatment"
is part of being in the mental health professions.


You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour,
until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners overcome their
feelings of boatable inadequacy.


She is a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each
day. Which can be taken any way one likes.


1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know? And
much of
Freud is passe.

My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.

They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up
Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own
version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.


1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.

2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of
mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong to an
after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most
mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had
the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of
every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call
tried to block his number.

Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people,
they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are
planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is
real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the
police.

In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never
received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or
court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this
newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a
number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were
mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE
(duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely
because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and
Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been
able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several
suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of
all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are
either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make
such calls.


The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious calls came in
from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace. The local
police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when it was
discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got involved. At
least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can tell, he
has not posted here again.

K Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote:

Gould 0738 wrote:

Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.




Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying.

It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy
any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in
a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every
opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never
will.........

When they want to carry

toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for
labor or lose out.

It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it
so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you
win, but sorry competition is competition.



It's actually the fight for the bottom.

You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen.

Now there's the usual Harry abuse.




China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're
communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China &
exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in
the US, no it's all govt. "planned".



China uses slave labor and labor that is grossly underpaid even by the
total absence of any sort of standards.

So because you're a racist this is just you saying the Chinese are
stupid, well guess what............

Stupid? Where did I say the Chinese were stupid?





I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as
they remain socialist we're safe.


Safe from what? You?

Safe from you union types.


Free trade unions eventually will improve the plight of workers in the PRC.





How's that non-existent factory of yours, Karen? Your production line is
up to what, zero diesel outboards a week? Cripes, you even stole someone
else's trademark.

You & your simpleton mate Jack the whack, don't seem to know much.
There are "classes" Harry, if you look there are many many registrations
of the exact same trade marks in most jurisdictions, last time I looked
there were about 18 in the US of mine. You know toys vs marine
engines???? Surely even you can grasp this simple concept????


How many diesel outboards did your non-existent factory produce this
year, Karen? The only thing you produce is the crap you post in this
newsgroup.



Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even
put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was
his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't
like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

I was born in 1944. My wife was born in 1962. Do the math, crap for
brains. And I agree, she is quite lovely. And for sure bathes more often
than you do.





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You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen.



oooh Harry, what a nasty response, but true.

Harry Krause wrote:

You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen.

This quote from the Microsoft and Merc Optimax corporate whore.

-- Charlie


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