Please spread this word around, it's for our own good.

Cheers!
Jeff

Let me be the first to say NO to Walmart. I will go and scream it at their
front door.

I will, however, continue to shop there.

Steve

I'm with Steve on this. Reason being is that Walmart is only one of
the many many companies in the US that do this.
I worked at General Electric Aircraft Engine supplier companies and
GE buyers are *******s the way they treat the suppliers. Are you not
going to fly or buy lightbulbs?
Its the whole republican support the corporation screw the working
guy thing that needs to be fought. Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.

"Just In Time" wrote in message
om...
Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!

Walmart has gotten too big and it uses its power to exert over us. No
one can blame Wal-Mart for being abusive afterall, it's us, the
consumers, who gave the power to them! We are irresponsible and greedy
because we want the cheapest prices! I have to admit that I am guilty
as well as I do shop occasionally at you know where! (but that's to
change from now on)
Jeff

I will buy from whomever I want to buy from and when I want too buy. I do
not let others dictate my preferences.

It is the American way.

Tex Houston

Tex Houston wrote:
"Just In Time" wrote in message
om...
Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!

Walmart has gotten too big and it uses its power to exert over us. No
one can blame Wal-Mart for being abusive afterall, it's us, the
consumers, who gave the power to them! We are irresponsible and greedy
because we want the cheapest prices! I have to admit that I am guilty
as well as I do shop occasionally at you know where! (but that's to
change from now on)
Jeff

I will buy from whomever I want to buy from and when I want too buy. I do
not let others dictate my preferences.

It is the American way.

Tex Houston




Ahh, but if you were capable of thinking abstractly, you would realize
that Wal-Mart in many ways *is* dictating your preferences.



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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Ahh, but if you were capable of thinking abstractly, you would realize
that Wal-Mart in many ways *is* dictating your preferences.


I have no Wal*Mart preference but I will shop there when it is convenient.
I just resent some individual with their own axe to grind trying to tell me
where to shop. If I want to shop discount store I tend to shop at the
closest at the time.

Let the marketplace decide (Economics 101?).

Tex

On 27 Nov 2003 21:55:06 -0800, (Just In Time)
wrote:

Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!


I've pretty much stopped buying from wally-world. I think everybody
should stop and examine what these mega chains do to the economy.
This is all about buying quality-challenged stuff dirt cheap and the
net result is settling for less that"better," sending most of you hard
earned cash overseas, and putting a lot of the smaller service
oriented Ma&Pa's out of business.

When you can't find a chandlery or tackle shop, you'll see what I
mean. Try asking your local wally-world trained barcode scanner
associate where and how to use 5200 or what type of rig to use for
yellow-fin. You'll glimpse a snapshot of the future.

We, as Americans, can really do better for ourselves.

Tex Houston wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Ahh, but if you were capable of thinking abstractly, you would realize
that Wal-Mart in many ways *is* dictating your preferences.


I have no Wal*Mart preference but I will shop there when it is convenient.
I just resent some individual with their own axe to grind trying to tell me
where to shop. If I want to shop discount store I tend to shop at the
closest at the time.

Let the marketplace decide (Economics 101?).

Tex



As I stated previously, you don't seem capable of thinking abstractly.
Wal-Mart is deciding where you will shop. Think it through. Think of all
the stores that close because of Wal-Mart. Think of all the American
workers out of a decent job because of Wal-Mart. Think of the varieties
of selection diminished because of Wal-Mart.

Got it?

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Gene Kearns wrote:

On 27 Nov 2003 21:55:06 -0800, (Just In Time)
wrote:

Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!


I've pretty much stopped buying from wally-world. I think everybody
should stop and examine what these mega chains do to the economy.
This is all about buying quality-challenged stuff dirt cheap and the
net result is settling for less that"better," sending most of you hard
earned cash overseas, and putting a lot of the smaller service
oriented Ma&Pa's out of business.

When you can't find a chandlery or tackle shop, you'll see what I
mean. Try asking your local wally-world trained barcode scanner
associate where and how to use 5200 or what type of rig to use for
yellow-fin. You'll glimpse a snapshot of the future.

We, as Americans, can really do better for ourselves.


Think about the well-trained and motivated Wal-Mart clerks who work
behind the pharmacy counter. Now that is scary. Not the pharmacist...the
worker bee crew. No training, bad pay, no benefits.

Wal-Mart actually advises its workers who are excluded from its crummy
health care plan to apply for public assistance.

Yep. We're subsidizing Wal-Mart and its profiteering.

Wal-Mart is the true reflection of the Conservative Vision of
Corporation Uber Alles.





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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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As I stated previously, you don't seem capable of thinking abstractly.
Wal-Mart is deciding where you will shop. Think it through. Think of all
the stores that close because of Wal-Mart. Think of all the American
workers out of a decent job because of Wal-Mart. Think of the varieties
of selection diminished because of Wal-Mart.

Got it?

If a store was not competive in price, service, etc allowing a Wal*Mart to
achive a market share starting with one unit, was that store serving our
interest in the first place? If Wal*Mart leaves an opening for a competitor
due to 'not minding the store' (pun intended) a competitor will indeed
appear. You've singled out one store but the model appears in all
marketplaces. How much variety is there in an average mall?

I live in an area of about 500,000 people and still tend to buy downtown
where the stores are individual setups but why would I condemn a chain
because they saw a need and fulfilled it. Sam Walton must have satisfied a
need for someone. My first experience with them was not a good one as the
store was quite small, crowded with merchandise and not all that clean.
That store is no longer open. We did not have a store here at the time and
I wondered...is this what all the talk is about?

Tex

In article ,
"Tex Houston" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Ahh, but if you were capable of thinking abstractly, you would realize
that Wal-Mart in many ways *is* dictating your preferences.


I have no Wal*Mart preference but I will shop there when it is convenient.
I just resent some individual with their own axe to grind trying to tell me
where to shop. If I want to shop discount store I tend to shop at the
closest at the time.

Let the marketplace decide (Economics 101?).

Tex



Except in this case, it isn't the marketplace deciding. Wal-mart forces
manufacturers to meet their specs. "We will *ONLY* carry laundry soap
packaged in 410 gram plastic buckets shipped as pallets 4 layers high,
and we will only pay $X.YY per unit for it - No, we don't care that your
cardboard box packaging at 413 grams per unit is more cost-effective or
environmentally freindly. No, we don't care that the customer WANTS the
413 gram box, and that you can give it to us for a third of the cost of
the 410 gram tub. Either do it our way, or we go to your competition,
the XYZ soap company, and shut you out of the market completely."

Wal-mart forces customers to shop only there through the fact that by
sheer size (ignore the pressure they apply to manufacturers that I
mentioned above for the moment) they can and do run any other
competition in a town out, leaving no option.

Wal-mart pays their employees next to nothing, and, simply fires all
employees and shuts the store down at the first hint of union activity
that could force them into paying a competitive wage in a store. Despite
the fact that I hate unions with a passion, this is *WRONG*. The pay
that a Wal-mart employee takes home isn't sufficient for them to shop
anyplace BUT Wal-mart, and there have been rumors (you decide yourself
about the fallacy or reality - to *ME* they're rumors. To someone else,
they may be "This happened to me") of Wal-mart employees being seen in
other stores one day coming in to work the next day to find they've been
given their walking papers. Never, of course, for any reason related to
being in the other store, but hey, who on this planet doesn't have
*SOMETHING* that can be used against them to legitimize their firing?

Tex, it isn't that Wal-mart is "bad" in and of itself. I'll argue
against anyone who claims it is. It's the fact that Wal-Mart is, much
like Microsoft, forcing consumers to give up choice through pressure
that can only be applied by someone with a monopoly or near-monopoly
position in the market. "I used to buy my tuna in 10 ounce cans, but all
you've got on the shelf are 8 ounce cans at half again the price. When
are you going to get the regular cans back in? We're not. Buy what we
sell, or suffer with nothing." The worst part is, in MANY MANY MANY
places, that's exactly what the customer *MUST* do: Wal-mart has driven
all competition out of town, and the only place to shop is there. Which
is exactly what their operating goal is: Shut down anything that looks
like competition, either indirectly, through their massive size and
attendant ability to almost literally give merchandise away until
there's noplace left in town for customers to turn to (the "company
store in a company town" concept) or they outright buy up and shut down
any competition that doesn't fold from the first method.

Wal-mart as a concept is great. Wal-mart as a reality is the death-knell
for a town's economy. Don't take my word for it - look around and see
how many towns that have had a Wal-mart move in are losing their other
retailers in numbers that are hard to believe.

No, Tex, it isn't about letting the marketplace decide. It's about
keeping the marketplace from being decided for you by the corporate
power that is Wal-mart.

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Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.



Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. When they want to carry
toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for
labor or lose out.

WALMART doesn't tell a mfg that they *must* build in China- only that if they
can't meet or beat the price of those who do they are, effectively, out of
business starting next month.

What will the next sacrifice be? Quality?
Or, when WALMART can no longer increase profits by forcing suppliers to cheaper
sources of labor, will WALMART raise prices? Will we soon be paying as much as
we used to pay for a US built, item but buying stuff from China instead?

WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no
benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient
workers volunteer
to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company
store."

In Walmart's world, there is no middle class. Unless $9 an hour, with a few
extra hours thrown in unpaid every week, is going to be the new "middle class."

In Walmart's World, there are some opportunities for better income. If you're
willing to work 50-51 weeks a year, 12-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, you can
eventually rise to "store manager" and approach 6-figures a year. :-(

One of the great hypocrisies of the WalMart culture is the great emphasis on
quality "family" experiences. How many of the managers working 80 hours a week
or more have any quality time left to spend with the family? How many of the
people earing $9 an hour get to go home after work, rather than to the
second,part time job they need to pay basic living expenses?