Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.27H.swiss.pay.htm

A an extremist radical propaganda site. It's crap from
beginning to end.


I'm not sure what you're having trouble believing, but perhaps things

like

this will snap you out of whatever trance you're in:
http://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/IRURF.pdf



Methinks Jonathan is a college freshman with a rich daddy.



What "you think" is irrelevant. It's clear that you think little at all
and would rather just catergorize and demonize all those who disagree
with you.



Dave, do you ALSO think that the Swiss are innocent of all wrongdoing from
WWII? Court documents aren't good enough for you? :-)

The paranoid bigot who offered the court documents was
trying to prove, somehow, that the Swiss economy is not
primarily a service based economy. His citation
couldn't possibly prove that, as it is entirely unrelated.

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
hlink.net...


Dave, do you ALSO think that the Swiss are innocent of all wrongdoing
from
WWII? Court documents aren't good enough for you? :-)

The paranoid bigot who offered the court documents was
trying to prove, somehow, that the Swiss economy is not
primarily a service based economy. His citation
couldn't possibly prove that, as it is entirely unrelated.


Based on my reading of the messages, there were two things going on, and one
of them was JPS' comment that the Swiss had, and continue to have some
skanky activities that they'd like the world to not notice. Then, I believe
it was you who appeared to deny that the Swiss had held onto assets which
weren't theirs from the WWII era.

If they'd cleared it all up in 1948, it would've been fair to say that it
was over. But, legal proceedings were still going on until just a couple of
years ago, which was proven with a link to court documents. At that point,
you failed to say "Oh...OK....fine. I was mistaken".

The FIRST link someone posted for you was from what you considered an
unreliable or biased source. The SECOND one, which I posted, was a direct
source of information.

Not that I've straightened this out for you, do you still believe the Swiss
did NOT hang onto assets which belonged to Holocaust victims?

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
hlink.net...


Dave, do you ALSO think that the Swiss are innocent of all wrongdoing

from

WWII? Court documents aren't good enough for you? :-)

The paranoid bigot who offered the court documents was
trying to prove, somehow, that the Swiss economy is not
primarily a service based economy. His citation
couldn't possibly prove that, as it is entirely unrelated.



Based on my reading of the messages, there were two things going on, and one
of them was JPS' comment that the Swiss had, and continue to have some
skanky activities that they'd like the world to not notice. Then, I believe
it was you who appeared to deny that the Swiss had held onto assets which
weren't theirs from the WWII era.

No, I didn't.

As you say, there are two *entirely separate* issues:
the composition of the Swiss economy, and whether or
not Switzerland concealed illegally held Jewish assets.
I never even addressed the latter, because I think it
is well demonstrated that Swiss banks did hold onto the
assets, and the Swiss government didn't do anything to
get them to be forthcoming.

I do dispute the paranoid bigot and coward "jps's"
rabid contention that the Swiss economy is based on
recycling "blood money".


If they'd cleared it all up in 1948, it would've been fair to say that it
was over. But, legal proceedings were still going on until just a couple of
years ago, which was proven with a link to court documents. At that point,
you failed to say "Oh...OK....fine. I was mistaken".

The FIRST link someone posted for you was from what you considered an
unreliable or biased source. The SECOND one, which I posted, was a direct
source of information.

Not that I've straightened this out for you, do you still believe the Swiss
did NOT hang onto assets which belonged to Holocaust victims?

I never believed it; yours is an invalid complex question.

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.27H.swiss.pay.htm

A an extremist radical propaganda site. It's crap from
beginning to end.


I'm not sure what you're having trouble believing, but perhaps things
like
this will snap you out of whatever trance you're in:
http://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/IRURF.pdf


Methinks Jonathan is a college freshman with a rich daddy.



What "you think" is irrelevant. It's clear that you think little at all
and would rather just catergorize and demonize all those who disagree
with you.


Dave, do you ALSO think that the Swiss are innocent of all wrongdoing from
WWII? Court documents aren't good enough for you? :-)

I withhold any comment on the Swiss situation until I see more
information. I was merely commenting on Harry's typical modus operandi,
of making assumptions of someone simply because they hold a different
political ideology, and then demonizing them based on his conjectures.

Dave

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


What? You've got to be kidding. That would drive me nuts if I had to
listen to that for hours on end....

Dave



I kid you not. At first, I wondered if my 50 year old hearing had begun
to
lose some of its directional sensitivity. But, last time I was at WM, my
14
yr old son & two friends were with me. They focused on the sources and
sure
enough, it was coming from the PA system. You know the 120 decibel
French
fry timers at McDonalds? Lower the level a bit, but multiply by however
many
registers are beeping.


That's nuts! What possible legitimate use could that possibly have?

Somebody apparently thinks it makes the store sound "festive", like one of
our malls where there are three different sets of holiday music playing in
different "branches" of the walkway. If you happen to be standing where the
walkways meet.....

More idiots in control.....



This is why a local reporter wrote last week "If there's anything that makes
me want to climb a tower with a rifle, it's the excessively early arrival of
holiday music". :-)

I agree. I look forward to and enjoy the Christmas season. But I
traditionally don't start celebrating it until Thanksgiving is
officially in the can. I don't start the music and the ornaments until
the first or second week in December. Any sooner than that, and I'm sick
of the whole thing by the time Christmas actually gets here. My wife is
a little more "festive" than I am, and it's tough to restrain her urges
to "deck the halls" (Literally) in the middle of November.

I look at it as desperation on the part of retailers who are just
leveraging the holidays for a fatter bottom line. It's a shame that the
true meaning of Christmas, and even the magical wonder that it holds for
a young child, is lost under mounds of commercial greed...

Dave

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
In all fairness, Chuck, the cost of buying your own Blue Choice
policy
here
(Rochester) is about $6-7k per year.

Does that $7k a year policy also carry a $3000 deductible?

Are you being facetious?

If not, and I understand your question, co-pays are $5 for normal doctor
visit, $10-$15 for specialists, and if I recall, $35 or $50 for E.R.
Surgery
is also under $100.


I think, in this case, Chuck is working from some erroneous information.

Dave



Well, I'm not sure. I made a similar mistake last week in a discussion. If
you look at the "cash price" that your employer pays for each employee in a
group plan (before your contribution or the employer's), it's usually much
lower than the price you get if call Blue Choice or whoever and say "I'm a
sole proprietor. How much will same kind of plan cost me?"


That's true, and largely due to the "volume discount" that a large
grouping of employees rates. A corporation can also encourage wellness
programs, stop smoking clinics, and offer physical fitness discounts at
heath spas. All these factors contribute to a lower risk assessment for
large group memberships.

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


Dave, do you ALSO think that the Swiss are innocent of all wrongdoing
from
WWII? Court documents aren't good enough for you? :-)

I withhold any comment on the Swiss situation until I see more
information. I was merely commenting on Harry's typical modus operandi,
of making assumptions of someone simply because they hold a different
political ideology, and then demonizing them based on his conjectures.

Dave

Well, the court proceedings took place throughout the 1990s. Plenty of
information out there. If the court documents are too dense to wade through,
as they usually are, search at one of the major newspapers.

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.27H.swiss.pay.htm

A an extremist radical propaganda site. It's crap from
beginning to end.


I'm not sure what you're having trouble believing, but perhaps things

like

this will snap you out of whatever trance you're in:
http://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/IRURF.pdf



Methinks Jonathan is a college freshman with a rich daddy.



What "you think" is irrelevant. It's clear that you think little at all
and would rather just catergorize and demonize all those who disagree
with you.



Dave, do you ALSO

"Also"? Who has indicated he thinks the Swiss didn't
do something wrong during the war?

Stop asking illegitimate complex questions.

think that the Swiss are innocent of all wrongdoing from
WWII? Court documents aren't good enough for you? :-)

Fully supported by the parents and family. Not too many kids with a bunch of
disposable income or good credit limits going through the checkouts.
How many pairs of Nikes did you have as a child? What about the $200 club
jackets?

Myron

Dave Hall wrote:

It's a shame that the true meaning of Christmas, and even the magical wonder
that it holds for a young child, is lost under mounds of commercial greed...

Dave Hall wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Lone Haranguer wrote:


Jonathan Ball wrote:

jps wrote:

Bull****, they collect tolls off of blood money.

Prove it.


http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.27H.swiss.pay.htm

A an extremist radical propaganda site. It's crap from
beginning to end.


I'm not sure what you're having trouble believing, but perhaps things like
this will snap you out of whatever trance you're in:
http://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/IRURF.pdf


Methinks Jonathan is a college freshman with a rich daddy.



What "you think" is irrelevant.

Ah, but what I think-and do-is far more relevant than what you think or
do, and for reasons I won't get into in a newsgroup. You're just
right-wing trash, and in the course of human events, you and those who
think and feel like you will end up on the discard pile.





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