On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:00:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I wouldn't presume to teach gun safety classes.

Why not? It probably would require you taking the class from that
dreaded NRA but in addition to teaching others, you might learn
something yourself. I had a couple of courses before I started doing
skeet training for IBM. The fact that we had available, sanctioned
training in the league went a long way toward IBM paying for our
league. NRA actually sent their T3 instructor out to the "rust bucket"
rip to do the courses.

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 10:17:03 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:59:06 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


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Only the furry animals with the black eye shadow and a ringed tail.
....

Those are good bbq’d

I ate a leg off of a smoked one once. It was just smoked meat.

On 1/22/18 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:00:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I wouldn't presume to teach gun safety classes.

Why not? It probably would require you taking the class from that
dreaded NRA but in addition to teaching others, you might learn
something yourself. I had a couple of courses before I started doing
skeet training for IBM. The fact that we had available, sanctioned
training in the league went a long way toward IBM paying for our
league. NRA actually sent their T3 instructor out to the "rust bucket"
rip to do the courses.


Why not? Because I have no interest in teaching gun safety classes. Is
that a good enough reason for you?

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 16:15:48 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:50:41 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:42:24 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/22/18 12:35 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:59:06 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


8:50 AMKeyser Soze
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Growing up on a dirt farm in Missouri and shooting squirrels for dinner
seems to make one a racist.
...

I guess so that is if squirrel is classsd as a “race”

Only the furry animals with the black eye shadow and a ringed tail.


I have an ex-friend who told me he goes out to a field in southern
Maryland to shoot groundhogs and other small critters. Not critters
that are pestering any not really on a higher evolutionary scale than
"hooomans," but just living their little animal lives. Disgusting.

He was *your* friend. He was 'disgusting' only after he told you he went varmint hunting?

I am not sure I understand all varmint hunting but if they are really
there to limit the population of rodents because they have killed all
of the natural predators, it makes some sense.
Arizona's Senoran desert is an excellent example. They were diligent
in killing all of the rattlesnakes and now the rodents are destroying
the iconic century old Saguaro cactus. If guys want to sit in the
desert with their 5.5 Creedmores and pick off rats, good on them.

Groundhogs and nutria have become a nuisance ever since we did in the predators. Hunting them is
quite legal:

http://www.eregulations.com/maryland...ng/furbearers/

Nutria And Woodchuck
The nutria and woodchuck (groundhog) are classified as “unprotected mammals.” As such:

A hunting license is not required to hunt woodchucks and nutria except in Baltimore County.
Woodchucks and nutria may be hunted throughout the year, including Sundays.
Hunters must wear fluorescent orange while hunting woodchucks.
All hunting devices legal for other game animals may be used to hunt woodchucks and nutria.

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 16:27:15 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:08:33 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:52:24 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:34:09 -0500, John H
wrote:


Minnesota, Harry. And mostly rabbits. Squirrels are harder'n hell to clean.

Just unrewarding for the amount of meat you get.

And it's usually tougher'n hell.

Kind of a crock pot thing ;-)
We were hunting on the Eastern shore and the guy who owned the farm
made a decent stew with some stuff we shot. It cooked all day tho. He
started it over a propane burner and cooked it over a Sterno can after
it got going.
This was off the grid camping. There was a house, such as it is but no
power, water or heat.
We did that 2 nights until I declared an emergency and took them all
to a motel, my treat. It ended up being dirt cheap since this was
basically inland of Ocean City in the winter.
I did the same thing to the "campers" in the keys. We figured out we
could rent a damned house for what we were paying for 3 camping slots
and all of the extra add ons they charged.

With rabbit, we would bread, fry and eat. With squirrel, we would bread, brown, put in Dutch oven
for a couple hours, and eat.

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 16:32:37 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 1/22/18 4:15 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:50:41 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:42:24 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/22/18 12:35 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:59:06 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


8:50 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Growing up on a dirt farm in Missouri and shooting squirrels for dinner
seems to make one a racist.
...

I guess so that is if squirrel is classsd as a “race�

Only the furry animals with the black eye shadow and a ringed tail.


I have an ex-friend who told me he goes out to a field in southern
Maryland to shoot groundhogs and other small critters. Not critters
that are pestering any not really on a higher evolutionary scale than
"hooomans," but just living their little animal lives. Disgusting.

He was *your* friend. He was 'disgusting' only after he told you he went varmint hunting?

I am not sure I understand all varmint hunting but if they are really
there to limit the population of rodents because they have killed all
of the natural predators, it makes some sense.
Arizona's Senoran desert is an excellent example. They were diligent
in killing all of the rattlesnakes and now the rodents are destroying
the iconic century old Saguaro cactus. If guys want to sit in the
desert with their 5.5 Creedmores and pick off rats, good on them.


I doubt my ex-friend was trying to re-establish the balance of nature.
He and his buddies went to a large field to shoot any small critters
they saw. I suppose he saw it as some sort of sport.

We may be closer than usual in agreement here. There are places where
shooting varmints has a lot of value but that is not anything you see
and not everywhere you go.

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 16:42:45 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 1/22/18 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:00:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I wouldn't presume to teach gun safety classes.

Why not? It probably would require you taking the class from that
dreaded NRA but in addition to teaching others, you might learn
something yourself. I had a couple of courses before I started doing
skeet training for IBM. The fact that we had available, sanctioned
training in the league went a long way toward IBM paying for our
league. NRA actually sent their T3 instructor out to the "rust bucket"
rip to do the courses.


Why not? Because I have no interest in teaching gun safety classes. Is
that a good enough reason for you?

OK by me.
I am just saying anytime you teach anyone a skill it is rewarding.
That is particularly true if it is a life saving skill.
I was a red cross water safety instructor too.

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 18:51:42 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 16:32:37 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 1/22/18 4:15 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:50:41 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:42:24 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/22/18 12:35 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:59:06 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


8:50 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Growing up on a dirt farm in Missouri and shooting squirrels for dinner
seems to make one a racist.
...

I guess so that is if squirrel is classsd as a “race”

Only the furry animals with the black eye shadow and a ringed tail.


I have an ex-friend who told me he goes out to a field in southern
Maryland to shoot groundhogs and other small critters. Not critters
that are pestering any not really on a higher evolutionary scale than
"hooomans," but just living their little animal lives. Disgusting.

He was *your* friend. He was 'disgusting' only after he told you he went varmint hunting?

I am not sure I understand all varmint hunting but if they are really
there to limit the population of rodents because they have killed all
of the natural predators, it makes some sense.
Arizona's Senoran desert is an excellent example. They were diligent
in killing all of the rattlesnakes and now the rodents are destroying
the iconic century old Saguaro cactus. If guys want to sit in the
desert with their 5.5 Creedmores and pick off rats, good on them.


I doubt my ex-friend was trying to re-establish the balance of nature.
He and his buddies went to a large field to shoot any small critters
they saw. I suppose he saw it as some sort of sport.

We may be closer than usual in agreement here. There are places where
shooting varmints has a lot of value but that is not anything you see
and not everywhere you go.

Given the existing law, Maryland appears to be one of those places.

Speaking of deer. While golfing last Thursday we noticed two new additions to a couple holes. In the
trees next to the fairways were hunters' deer stands. The deer population on the course was getting
quite large.

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 17:00:30 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 16:15:48 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:50:41 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:42:24 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/22/18 12:35 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:59:06 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


8:50 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Growing up on a dirt farm in Missouri and shooting squirrels for dinner
seems to make one a racist.
...

I guess so that is if squirrel is classsd as a “race�

Only the furry animals with the black eye shadow and a ringed tail.


I have an ex-friend who told me he goes out to a field in southern
Maryland to shoot groundhogs and other small critters. Not critters
that are pestering any not really on a higher evolutionary scale than
"hooomans," but just living their little animal lives. Disgusting.

He was *your* friend. He was 'disgusting' only after he told you he went varmint hunting?

I am not sure I understand all varmint hunting but if they are really
there to limit the population of rodents because they have killed all
of the natural predators, it makes some sense.
Arizona's Senoran desert is an excellent example. They were diligent
in killing all of the rattlesnakes and now the rodents are destroying
the iconic century old Saguaro cactus. If guys want to sit in the
desert with their 5.5 Creedmores and pick off rats, good on them.

Groundhogs and nutria have become a nuisance ever since we did in the predators. Hunting them is
quite legal:

http://www.eregulations.com/maryland...ng/furbearers/

Nutria And Woodchuck
The nutria and woodchuck (groundhog) are classified as “unprotected mammals.� As such:

A hunting license is not required to hunt woodchucks and nutria except in Baltimore County.
Woodchucks and nutria may be hunted throughout the year, including Sundays.
Hunters must wear fluorescent orange while hunting woodchucks.
All hunting devices legal for other game animals may be used to hunt woodchucks and nutria.

If that is actually what they are shooting, I agree it is helpful.
Harry is assuming they shoot everything that moves.
To be honest I never saw a wood chuck in Maryland and I didn't even
know you had nutria up there.
Of course deer were few and far between there over 40 years ago too.
(the last time I hunted)
Five years later I saw 2 on the Whitehurst freeway and 20 years later
they were thick at my ex wife's house in Clinton so it is clear things
are changing.

On 1/22/18 7:42 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 17:00:30 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 16:15:48 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:50:41 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:42:24 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/22/18 12:35 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:59:06 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


8:50 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Growing up on a dirt farm in Missouri and shooting squirrels for dinner
seems to make one a racist.
...

I guess so that is if squirrel is classsd as a “race�

Only the furry animals with the black eye shadow and a ringed tail.


I have an ex-friend who told me he goes out to a field in southern
Maryland to shoot groundhogs and other small critters. Not critters
that are pestering any not really on a higher evolutionary scale than
"hooomans," but just living their little animal lives. Disgusting.

He was *your* friend. He was 'disgusting' only after he told you he went varmint hunting?

I am not sure I understand all varmint hunting but if they are really
there to limit the population of rodents because they have killed all
of the natural predators, it makes some sense.
Arizona's Senoran desert is an excellent example. They were diligent
in killing all of the rattlesnakes and now the rodents are destroying
the iconic century old Saguaro cactus. If guys want to sit in the
desert with their 5.5 Creedmores and pick off rats, good on them.

Groundhogs and nutria have become a nuisance ever since we did in the predators. Hunting them is
quite legal:

http://www.eregulations.com/maryland...ng/furbearers/

Nutria And Woodchuck
The nutria and woodchuck (groundhog) are classified as “unprotected mammals.� As such:

A hunting license is not required to hunt woodchucks and nutria except in Baltimore County.
Woodchucks and nutria may be hunted throughout the year, including Sundays.
Hunters must wear fluorescent orange while hunting woodchucks.
All hunting devices legal for other game animals may be used to hunt woodchucks and nutria.

If that is actually what they are shooting, I agree it is helpful.
Harry is assuming they shoot everything that moves.
To be honest I never saw a wood chuck in Maryland and I didn't even
know you had nutria up there.
Of course deer were few and far between there over 40 years ago too.
(the last time I hunted)
Five years later I saw 2 on the Whitehurst freeway and 20 years later
they were thick at my ex wife's house in Clinton so it is clear things
are changing.


We have plenty of woodchucks, raccoons, foxes, squirrels, chipmunks,
opossums, deer, et cetera. I'm not sure about nutria.