On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:27:05 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You fellas act as if there was something special about military
service.

You are the one who suggested the military might be an answer to the
welfare and hard core unemployment problem.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:04:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:27:05 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You fellas act as if there was something special about military
service.

You are the one who suggested the military might be an answer to the
welfare and hard core unemployment problem.


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On 10/16/17 12:04 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:27:05 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You fellas act as if there was something special about military
service.

You are the one who suggested the military might be an answer to the
welfare and hard core unemployment problem.


And you think that makes it special? I know we need a strong military,
but I think we spend way too much on it and we don't seem to be training
the forces sufficiently on the basics. As an example, consider the
****-ups of the navy the last few years with incompetent ship handling
and the inability of ground forces to successfully wage conventional
warfare that results in the defeat of an enemy. We have all the latest
and greatest technology, and the military loves to show it off, but
those really expensive doo-dads don't seem to be of much use in
current-day Iraq, Syria, and, of course, Afghanistan.

As an aside, I've always thought freshly churned naval officers should
spend the first six months of their service running small boats and
learning, to borrow from Chapman, Piloting, Seamanship, and Small Boat
Handling, and by that I mean hands on, NOT telling an enlisted man what
to do. After that, the officers can start working their way up to larger
ships. I don't see how you can be the watch officer without knowing
precisely how your ship handles and where it is at all times on the
space-time continuum.

On 10/16/2017 7:03 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/16/17 12:04 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:27:05 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You fellas act as if there was something special about military
service.

You are the one who suggested the military might be an answer to the
welfare and hard core unemployment problem.


And you think that makes it special? I know we need a strong military,
but I think we spend way too much on it and we don't seem to be training
the forces sufficiently on the basics. As an example, consider the
****-ups of the navy the last few years with incompetent ship handling
and the inability of ground forces to successfully wage conventional
warfare that results in the defeat of an enemy. We have all the latest
and greatest technology, and the military loves to show it off, but
those really expensive doo-dads don't seem to be of much use in
current-day Iraq, Syria, and, of course, Afghanistan.

As an aside, I've always thought freshly churned naval officers should
spend the first six months of their service running small boats and
learning, to borrow from Chapman, Piloting, Seamanship, and Small Boat
Handling, and by that I mean hands on, NOT telling an enlisted man what
to do. After that, the officers can start working their way up to larger
ships. I don't see how you can be the watch officer without knowing
precisely how your ship handles and where it is at all times on the
space-time continuum.


They do Harry, not only on smaller craft, but on ships that are between
regular deployment cycles. As midshipmen at the Naval Academy part of
their education is to spend some time on an active duty ship at sea.
It's the only time the enlisted crew can bark out orders to the
midshipmen as they experience and learn what the various ship evolutions
involve.

One of the ships I was on conducted one of these 2 week training cruises
for midshipmen. It was great fun to watch how many were "manning the
rail", barking at the fish when underway in the north Atlantic in the
winter.