On 1/21/2018 1:47 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 12:30:50 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/21/2018 11:57 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/21/18 11:35 AM, wrote:
On 21 Jan 2018 14:45:06 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Why didn’t President ******** simply sign an Exec Order mandating
broadcast
of the game?Â*

He could have just stroked a check to pay those AFN people necessary
to get that out on the air. I doubt it would take more than a few
dozen people for a day or two (who are not already called essential
and working anyway). He paid more than that to cut the grass at Mar a
Lago this week


I knew two pro football players pretty well. One was a year ahead of me
at my high school and the other I met as an adult. The latter was a
neighbor of a close friend. One was a halfback and the other was a
linebacker, and both were stars. In any case, both were glad to get out
of the game with their brains intact and their bodies in reasonably
decent shape. The funny thing is the high school fella was a terrific
basketball player, too, and he might have had a longer and safer career
in the NBA.

Another great player I did get to see play in college was Gale Sayers.
He had a great but short career in the NFL, got out, had several
successful careers in sports and business but I read recently he is
suffering from dementia, probably as a result of the head injuries he
suffered playing pro football.

I wonder how much longer the NFL will be allowed, what with the
seriousness and extent of the brain injuries.


The NFL has come a long way with both protective gear, severe penalties
for unnecessary hits or roughness and mandatory concussion protocols.

The days of "Mean Joe Greene" and players like him are over.


I think they should remove all the protective gear - rugby style. You don't hear much about
concussion problems with rugby players.



Not too many 350 lb rugby players.

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 18:58:09 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/21/18 1:11 PM, wrote:
On 21 Jan 2018 16:32:18 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 09:39:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


And what could be more important than football? ?


It's ok if you'd rather read Moby Dick for the 18th time instead. Most
of us got it the first time around.

Another of your weird personality quirks. If you don't like something,
nobody should, huh?

Moby Dick? Jesus what a boring ****ing book. Melville could have
trimmed off about 400 pages and had a gripping novel.
I got it right away. Life on a whaling ship was miserable. We didn't
need to share that misery for almost 800 pages to read the story.
Beside that, if you are already bored at sea, the last thing I want to
read is a book about being bored at sea. I thought the GM 3&2 book was
more interesting. ;-)


Ahhh...you thought the book was about life aboard a whaling ship, but that
is only the back page story, as it were. I’m not surprised you actually
didn’t get it.

No it was the "back 400 pages", unless you were just speed reading
over that like you skim the notes you respond to here.
Like I said at 250-300 pages it would have been a gripping story. The
man needed an editor.


My copy of Anna Karenina runs about 700 pages. You probably shouldn't
read Tolstoy.


As a statement I read onetime about Russian y would never read another one.
What is it about Russian novels that when you get to liking a character
they kill them off. Okay to kill a few but all of them? To depressing.

Don't read the winds of war ;-)

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 14:01:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I tried reading "War and Peace" as a young teenager under the strong
"recommendation" of my mother who encouraged reading. She didn't care
what I read over the summer school vacations ... as long as I read. I
gave up on finishing "War and Peace". Too high brow and philosophical
for a 14 year old.



I was pretty heavy on WWII non-fiction in those days. My parents were
the same way. I just needed to be reading something. That was where my
father's tastes leaned so I got his hand me down books at first and
then started going to the library when I got to high school. I didn't
really have one close until then. Once I was in town every day, I lied
about my address and got a DC library card. ( I was a mile over the
line in PG County by then)

On 1/21/18 1:58 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/21/18 1:11 PM, wrote:
On 21 Jan 2018 16:32:18 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 09:39:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


And what could be more important than football? ?


It's ok if you'd rather read Moby Dick for the 18th time instead. Most
of us got it the first time around.

Another of your weird personality quirks. If you don't like something,
nobody should, huh?

Moby Dick? Jesus what a boring ****ing book. Melville could have
trimmed off about 400 pages and had a gripping novel.
I got it right away. Life on a whaling ship was miserable. We didn't
need to share that misery for almost 800 pages to read the story.
Beside that, if you are already bored at sea, the last thing I want to
read is a book about being bored at sea. I thought the GM 3&2 book was
more interesting. ;-)


Ahhh...you thought the book was about life aboard a whaling ship, but that
is only the back page story, as it were. I’m not surprised you actually
didn’t get it.

No it was the "back 400 pages", unless you were just speed reading
over that like you skim the notes you respond to here.
Like I said at 250-300 pages it would have been a gripping story. The
man needed an editor.


My copy of Anna Karenina runs about 700 pages. You probably shouldn't
read Tolstoy.


As a statement I read onetime about Russian y would never read another one.
What is it about Russian novels that when you get to liking a character
they kill them off. Okay to kill a few but all of them? To depressing.



Russia and environs was and is a pretty dark, lousy place, where awful
things happened to people, and I don't mean because of the weather,
although that is pretty grim in much of the country, too. Russian
literature reflects Russian history, culture, class warfare, et cetera.
Life was pretty damned awful for ethnics living in Lithuania, Moldova,
Ukraine, Belarus, et cetera. My parents, some of my grandparents, and
various aunts and uncles and great aunts and uncles spoke Russian,
Polish, and German and so I learned Russian as a second language when I
was growing up. I forced myself to read Dr. Zhivago in Russian when I
was a young teenager, and it wasn't easy. I wouldn't attempt to read
Tolstoy in Russian. I remember with Zhivago I had to create a character
cheat sheet so I could try to recall who was who. Years later, I read
the novel in English and I enjoyed it. The movie romanticized the novel
and the times, but I liked it. The literary movie Russia House with Sean
Connery presents Russia in a more modern but still very dark light.

Decades ago, I helped promote a gallery show of contemporary Russian art
for Woodward & Lothrop, a DC department store chain now gone. The art
was so-so, but the story of many of the Soviet-era artists was grim,
something the Russian cultural attaches tried to conceal. It was a weird
time in the 1970s.

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 14:01:13 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 18:49:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/21/2018 1:11 PM, wrote:
On 21 Jan 2018 16:32:18 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 09:39:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


And what could be more important than football? ?


It's ok if you'd rather read Moby Dick for the 18th time instead. Most
of us got it the first time around.

Another of your weird personality quirks. If you don't like something,
nobody should, huh?

Moby Dick? Jesus what a boring ****ing book. Melville could have
trimmed off about 400 pages and had a gripping novel.
I got it right away. Life on a whaling ship was miserable. We didn't
need to share that misery for almost 800 pages to read the story.
Beside that, if you are already bored at sea, the last thing I want to
read is a book about being bored at sea. I thought the GM 3&2 book was
more interesting. ;-)


Ahhh...you thought the book was about life aboard a whaling ship, but that
is only the back page story, as it were. I’m not surprised you actually
didn’t get it.

No it was the "back 400 pages", unless you were just speed reading
over that like you skim the notes you respond to here.
Like I said at 250-300 pages it would have been a gripping story. The
man needed an editor.



But, but Greg ... you are supposed to savor the prose and style heavily
influenced by Shakespeare and enjoy reciting the goofy poems out loud,
preferably in front of a mirror.

Other than that, it's just a weird, sorta religious story.




Might have been paid by the word. A friend of my parents wrote western
paperback novels during WW2. He was a navy hardhat diver. He said the
reason for all the land and environment descriptions was he had to fill 128
pages and got paid by the word.

It is just that those guys didn't have editors. A writer thinks every
word they write is manna from heaven.


That's true for even misguided, poor writers such as the one we have right here.

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 14:35:13 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/21/18 1:58 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/21/18 1:11 PM, wrote:
On 21 Jan 2018 16:32:18 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 09:39:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


And what could be more important than football? ?


It's ok if you'd rather read Moby Dick for the 18th time instead. Most
of us got it the first time around.

Another of your weird personality quirks. If you don't like something,
nobody should, huh?

Moby Dick? Jesus what a boring ****ing book. Melville could have
trimmed off about 400 pages and had a gripping novel.
I got it right away. Life on a whaling ship was miserable. We didn't
need to share that misery for almost 800 pages to read the story.
Beside that, if you are already bored at sea, the last thing I want to
read is a book about being bored at sea. I thought the GM 3&2 book was
more interesting. ;-)


Ahhh...you thought the book was about life aboard a whaling ship, but that
is only the back page story, as it were. I’m not surprised you actually
didn’t get it.

No it was the "back 400 pages", unless you were just speed reading
over that like you skim the notes you respond to here.
Like I said at 250-300 pages it would have been a gripping story. The
man needed an editor.


My copy of Anna Karenina runs about 700 pages. You probably shouldn't
read Tolstoy.


As a statement I read onetime about Russian y would never read another one.
What is it about Russian novels that when you get to liking a character
they kill them off. Okay to kill a few but all of them? To depressing.



Russia and environs was and is a pretty dark, lousy place, where awful
things happened to people, and I don't mean because of the weather,
although that is pretty grim in much of the country, too. Russian
literature reflects Russian history, culture, class warfare, et cetera.
Life was pretty damned awful for ethnics living in Lithuania, Moldova,
Ukraine, Belarus, et cetera. My parents, some of my grandparents, and
various aunts and uncles and great aunts and uncles spoke Russian,
Polish, and German and so I learned Russian as a second language when I
was growing up. I forced myself to read Dr. Zhivago in Russian when I
was a young teenager, and it wasn't easy. I wouldn't attempt to read
Tolstoy in Russian. I remember with Zhivago I had to create a character
cheat sheet so I could try to recall who was who. Years later, I read
the novel in English and I enjoyed it. The movie romanticized the novel
and the times, but I liked it. The literary movie Russia House with Sean
Connery presents Russia in a more modern but still very dark light.

Decades ago, I helped promote a gallery show of contemporary Russian art
for Woodward & Lothrop, a DC department store chain now gone. The art
was so-so, but the story of many of the Soviet-era artists was grim,
something the Russian cultural attaches tried to conceal. It was a weird
time in the 1970s.



In case no one else says it, "Wow, Harry!"

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 13:59:19 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 13:47:08 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 12:30:50 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/21/2018 11:57 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/21/18 11:35 AM, wrote:
On 21 Jan 2018 14:45:06 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Why didn’t President ******** simply sign an Exec Order mandating
broadcast
of the game?*

He could have just stroked a check to pay those AFN people necessary
to get that out on the air. I doubt it would take more than a few
dozen people for a day or two (who are not already called essential
and working anyway). He paid more than that to cut the grass at Mar a
Lago this week


I knew two pro football players pretty well. One was a year ahead of me
at my high school and the other I met as an adult. The latter was a
neighbor of a close friend. One was a halfback and the other was a
linebacker, and both were stars. In any case, both were glad to get out
of the game with their brains intact and their bodies in reasonably
decent shape. The funny thing is the high school fella was a terrific
basketball player, too, and he might have had a longer and safer career
in the NBA.

Another great player I did get to see play in college was Gale Sayers.
He had a great but short career in the NFL, got out, had several
successful careers in sports and business but I read recently he is
suffering from dementia, probably as a result of the head injuries he
suffered playing pro football.

I wonder how much longer the NFL will be allowed, what with the
seriousness and extent of the brain injuries.


The NFL has come a long way with both protective gear, severe penalties
for unnecessary hits or roughness and mandatory concussion protocols.

The days of "Mean Joe Greene" and players like him are over.


I think they should remove all the protective gear - rugby style. You don't hear much about
concussion problems with rugby players.

Then it would be soccer and nobody would watch. They used to admit the
NFL was all about the "big hits".

Not quite. Apparently you've not watched a lot of rugby. Much different than soccer and much more
action than our football.

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 14:23:06 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 18:58:09 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/21/18 1:11 PM, wrote:
On 21 Jan 2018 16:32:18 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 09:39:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


And what could be more important than football? ?


It's ok if you'd rather read Moby Dick for the 18th time instead. Most
of us got it the first time around.

Another of your weird personality quirks. If you don't like something,
nobody should, huh?

Moby Dick? Jesus what a boring ****ing book. Melville could have
trimmed off about 400 pages and had a gripping novel.
I got it right away. Life on a whaling ship was miserable. We didn't
need to share that misery for almost 800 pages to read the story.
Beside that, if you are already bored at sea, the last thing I want to
read is a book about being bored at sea. I thought the GM 3&2 book was
more interesting. ;-)


Ahhh...you thought the book was about life aboard a whaling ship, but that
is only the back page story, as it were. I’m not surprised you actually
didn’t get it.

No it was the "back 400 pages", unless you were just speed reading
over that like you skim the notes you respond to here.
Like I said at 250-300 pages it would have been a gripping story. The
man needed an editor.


My copy of Anna Karenina runs about 700 pages. You probably shouldn't
read Tolstoy.


As a statement I read onetime about Russian y would never read another one.
What is it about Russian novels that when you get to liking a character
they kill them off. Okay to kill a few but all of them? To depressing.

Don't read the winds of war ;-)

I very much enjoyed that series, wish it'd been longer.

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 14:02:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/21/2018 1:47 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 12:30:50 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/21/2018 11:57 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/21/18 11:35 AM, wrote:
On 21 Jan 2018 14:45:06 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Why didn’t President ******** simply sign an Exec Order mandating
broadcast
of the game?*

He could have just stroked a check to pay those AFN people necessary
to get that out on the air. I doubt it would take more than a few
dozen people for a day or two (who are not already called essential
and working anyway). He paid more than that to cut the grass at Mar a
Lago this week


I knew two pro football players pretty well. One was a year ahead of me
at my high school and the other I met as an adult. The latter was a
neighbor of a close friend. One was a halfback and the other was a
linebacker, and both were stars. In any case, both were glad to get out
of the game with their brains intact and their bodies in reasonably
decent shape. The funny thing is the high school fella was a terrific
basketball player, too, and he might have had a longer and safer career
in the NBA.

Another great player I did get to see play in college was Gale Sayers.
He had a great but short career in the NFL, got out, had several
successful careers in sports and business but I read recently he is
suffering from dementia, probably as a result of the head injuries he
suffered playing pro football.

I wonder how much longer the NFL will be allowed, what with the
seriousness and extent of the brain injuries.


The NFL has come a long way with both protective gear, severe penalties
for unnecessary hits or roughness and mandatory concussion protocols.

The days of "Mean Joe Greene" and players like him are over.


I think they should remove all the protective gear - rugby style. You don't hear much about
concussion problems with rugby players.



Not too many 350 lb rugby players.


There doesn't have to be head shots, regardless of weight. Without helmets, the head shots would go
way down.

On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 3:22:16 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 13:59:19 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 13:47:08 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 12:30:50 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/21/2018 11:57 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/21/18 11:35 AM, wrote:
On 21 Jan 2018 14:45:06 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Why didn’t President ******** simply sign an Exec Order mandating
broadcast
of the game?Â*

He could have just stroked a check to pay those AFN people necessary
to get that out on the air. I doubt it would take more than a few
dozen people for a day or two (who are not already called essential
and working anyway). He paid more than that to cut the grass at Mar a
Lago this week


I knew two pro football players pretty well. One was a year ahead of me
at my high school and the other I met as an adult. The latter was a
neighbor of a close friend. One was a halfback and the other was a
linebacker, and both were stars. In any case, both were glad to get out
of the game with their brains intact and their bodies in reasonably
decent shape. The funny thing is the high school fella was a terrific
basketball player, too, and he might have had a longer and safer career
in the NBA.

Another great player I did get to see play in college was Gale Sayers.
He had a great but short career in the NFL, got out, had several
successful careers in sports and business but I read recently he is
suffering from dementia, probably as a result of the head injuries he
suffered playing pro football.

I wonder how much longer the NFL will be allowed, what with the
seriousness and extent of the brain injuries.


The NFL has come a long way with both protective gear, severe penalties
for unnecessary hits or roughness and mandatory concussion protocols.

The days of "Mean Joe Greene" and players like him are over.


I think they should remove all the protective gear - rugby style. You don't hear much about
concussion problems with rugby players.

Then it would be soccer and nobody would watch. They used to admit the
NFL was all about the "big hits".

Not quite. Apparently you've not watched a lot of rugby. Much different than soccer and much more
action than our football.

A co-worker's son was set to get a full-ride scholarship playing rugby. He was a star, and played on the "all star" team that played across the pond several times. He ended up hurting his knee and when it all shook out, it turned out he had been playing with a concussion for a year or so.

His "career" is now over, and after concussion rehab he's getting his academic and social capabilities back together, and going to college.