On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote:

Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts.
The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still
cite them.


You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate
between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its
editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated
ignorance, they are one and the same.

You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a
paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought
they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist.
Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them?


The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times
is. Got it?

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:05:46 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 1:55 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City -
tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level
offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders
accountable for their crime statistics.

The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally
transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city.

---

I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws.
We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I
don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop
and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be
that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera.

So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level
criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and
then lock them up for life?
How is that working in Baltimore?


No, my solution is to build more publicly funded and operated prisons if
they are necessary.

So the idea of rehabilitating minor criminals before they become major
criminals is lost on you. You better build a lot of those prisons.

FWIW, In George Ryan's reign, Illinois tried that and lost badly. They built prisons all over the place until funding ran out. Lots of corruption in the building/bidding process. The state lost badly in the financial dept. a lot of prisons were halted before they started. raw materials just sat where they were put. When scrap got high people were stealing the rusty girders and selling them for scrap. At least somebody got some use out of it...

On 11/26/17 9:10 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:05:46 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 1:55 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City -
tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level
offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders
accountable for their crime statistics.

The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally
transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city.

---

I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws.
We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I
don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop
and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be
that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera.

So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level
criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and
then lock them up for life?
How is that working in Baltimore?


No, my solution is to build more publicly funded and operated prisons if
they are necessary.

So the idea of rehabilitating minor criminals before they become major
criminals is lost on you. You better build a lot of those prisons.

FWIW, In George Ryan's reign, Illinois tried that and lost badly. They built prisons all over the place until funding ran out. Lots of corruption in the building/bidding process. The state lost badly in the financial dept. a lot of prisons were halted before they started. raw materials just sat where they were put. When scrap got high people were stealing the rusty girders and selling them for scrap. At least somebody got some use out of it...


Were those new prisons necessary?

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:49:09 PM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/26/17 9:10 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:05:46 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 1:55 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City -
tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level
offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders
accountable for their crime statistics.

The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally
transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city.

---

I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws..
We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders.. I
don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop
and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be
that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera.

So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level
criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and
then lock them up for life?
How is that working in Baltimore?


No, my solution is to build more publicly funded and operated prisons if
they are necessary.

So the idea of rehabilitating minor criminals before they become major
criminals is lost on you. You better build a lot of those prisons.

FWIW, In George Ryan's reign, Illinois tried that and lost badly. They built prisons all over the place until funding ran out. Lots of corruption in the building/bidding process. The state lost badly in the financial dept.. a lot of prisons were halted before they started. raw materials just sat where they were put. When scrap got high people were stealing the rusty girders and selling them for scrap. At least somebody got some use out of it....


Were those new prisons necessary?

George Ryan thought so.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:06:57 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 11:40:19 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 9:43:13 AM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html

States with the most guns
recovered in Chicago

Illinois 22,051
Indiana 7,747
Mississippi 4,296
Wisconsin 1,647
Kentucky 1,226
Ohio 1,121
Tennessee 1,090
Alabama 1,070
Arkansas 944
Texas 937

Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like
Herr Krause indicates.

Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased.

Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds
like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html

The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock.



Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois
be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has
such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious
firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I
arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the
Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the
transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher"
transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee.

Tell us, Mr. Brainiac. Why would a Maryland resident like you be interested in the gun laws and fatalities in Chicago/Cook county Il. ? At least enough to throw your wooden nickels worth of thoughts on this thread...

I was not interested enough to drill down on that list but how many
guns came from Maryland?

The stats for every state are not provided. The US map with all the circles gives a rough idea.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:19:10 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 7:05 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 1:55 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City -
tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level
offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders
accountable for their crime statistics.

The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally
transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city.

---

I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws.
We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I
don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop
and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be
that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera.

So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level
criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and
then lock them up for life?
How is that working in Baltimore?


No, my solution is to build more publicly funded and operated prisons if
they are necessary.

So the idea of rehabilitating minor criminals before they become major
criminals is lost on you. You better build a lot of those prisons.



Your synapses are misfiring again. Never said what you claimed. What I
did say is that I am not in favor of private, for-profit prisons.

You're quite the trip, constantly mis-stating what I post or think.

Try to stay on topic and it will be a lot easier. We were talking
about "broken Windows" and "stop and frisk"

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote:

Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts.
The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still
cite them.


You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate
between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its
editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated
ignorance, they are one and the same.

You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a
paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought
they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist.
Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them?


The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times
is. Got it?

A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your
narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them.

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote:

Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts.
The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still
cite them.


You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate
between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its
editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated
ignorance, they are one and the same.

You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a
paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought
they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist.
Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them?


The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times
is. Got it?

A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your
narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them.

He only reads and believes things that fit into his narrow world view.

On 11/27/17 12:13 PM, wrote:
On 27 Nov 2017 16:44:03 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote:

Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts.
The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still
cite them.


You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate
between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its
editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated
ignorance, they are one and the same.

You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a
paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought
they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist.
Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them?


The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times
is. Got it?

A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your
narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them.


That’s just stupid.

... but it appears to be true. Any news outlet that has a conservative
slant on things is somehow defective to you. On the other hand, if
they lean left they are the gospel truth.


Oh, really? I don't spend much time whining about the Wall Street
Journal, even though it is a Fox New outlet. It is a little more
responsible than, say, the NY Post. The Wash Times is a Moonie
paper...it's a special case in the world of rightwing propaganda. I
actually know a couple of people who worked there and whose reportage
was "changed" by the church editors to reflect more of the church' right
wing "slant," as you call it. I don't slam the rightwing "Real Clear
Politics" site. Oh, I also don't claim any left leaning papers as "the
gospel truth."

You really have a problem here, fella. You continuously protect your
anti-progressive fantasies on others.

BTW, what's the catechism of your Libertarians on "stop and frisk,"
which you favor?

On 11/27/17 12:23 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote:

Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts.
The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still
cite them.


You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate
between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its
editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated
ignorance, they are one and the same.

You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a
paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought
they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist.
Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them?


The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times
is. Got it?

A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your
narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them.

He only reads and believes things that fit into his narrow world view.


I'm sure I read a lot more than you do, and from all sides of the spectrum.