Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/27/17 12:23 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote:

Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts.
The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still
cite them.


You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate
between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its
editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated
ignorance, they are one and the same.

You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a
paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought
they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist.
Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them?


The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times
is. Got it?

A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your
narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them.

He only reads and believes things that fit into his narrow world view.


I'm sure I read a lot more than you do, and from all sides of the spectrum.


There are a lot of left leaning sources. More than right leaning sources.

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.

On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.



You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was
not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally?

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.



You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was
not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally?

At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in
other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was
happening generally".

On 11/28/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.



You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was
not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally?

At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in
other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was
happening generally".


Science:

https://is.gd/HyUr4s

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.



You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was
not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally?


===

There has been a great deal of analysis of NYC's crime statistics. The
drop in overall crime, as well as murder rates, was attributable to a
broad range of policies and procedures, not just stop and frisk.

From Wikipedia:

---------------------------------------------------
Violent crime in New York City has been dropping since the
mid-1990s[1][2] and, as of 2015, is the lowest of any major city in
the United States.[3] In 2014, there were 328 homicides, the lowest
number since at least 1963.[2][4] Crime rates spiked in the 1980s and
early 1990s as the crack epidemic hit the city.[5][6] According to a
2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist, New York was the
10th-overall-safest major city in the world, as well as the
28th-safest in personal safety.[7]

During the 1990s the New York City Police Department (NYPD) adopted
CompStat, broken windows policing and other strategies in a major
effort to reduce crime. The city's dramatic drop in crime has been
attributed by criminologists to policing tactics, the end of the crack
epidemic, and some have speculated more controversial ideas such as
the legalization of abortion approximately 18 years previous[5][6] and
the decline of lead poisoning of children.[8]
--------------------------------------------------------

I happen to agree with your assessment of Guiliani being a right-wing
pig but it's important to also give credit where credit is due. His
strategies for reducing crime were right on the money as proven by
NYC's reduced rates, as other major cities with similar demographics
increased.

[1] Langan; Matthew R. Durose (December 3–5, 2003). "The Remarkable
Drop in Crime in New York City". 2003 International Conference on
Crime. Rome, Italy. Retrieved April 17, 2009.

[2]Chung, Jen (January 1, 2015). "NYC Murder Rate Drops To New
Historic Low In 2014". The Gothamist. Archived from the original on
January 18, 2015.

[3]
http://www.amny.com/opinion/homicide-rate-still-at-historic-lows-in-new-york-1.11210870

[4] Goodman, J. David; Baker, Al (December 31, 2014). "Murders in New
York Drop to a Record Low, but Officers Aren't Celebrating". The New
York Times.


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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:13:12 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.



You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was
not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally?

At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in
other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was
happening generally".


Science:

https://is.gd/HyUr4s

Do you read for content or just pick out the cherry you want?
From your article
"While violent crime overall has been declining for about two decades,
there was a sharp increase in the violent crime rate in 2015.
Homicides have continued to spike in major cities this year, "

.... but it went down in New York to historic lows in 2014-15 with
murder being 3.1 per 100,000
"Crimes" doesn't mean much if you are lumping snatching a purse in
with murder.

This is what "science" looks like. You presented "opinion"
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

The top of that spike on your unlabeled chart was Koch/Dinkins and
when Guiliani/Bloomberg took over the big drop started. (14.5 to 3.1)
I understand you prefer opinion pieces that present the point you want
to make but I prefer actually looking at the numbers.
THAT is science.

Wrote in message:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.



You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was
not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally?


===

There has been a great deal of analysis of NYC's crime statistics. The
drop in overall crime, as well as murder rates, was attributable to a
broad range of policies and procedures, not just stop and frisk.

From Wikipedia:

---------------------------------------------------
Violent crime in New York City has been dropping since the
mid-1990s[1][2] and, as of 2015, is the lowest of any major city in
the United States.[3] In 2014, there were 328 homicides, the lowest
number since at least 1963.[2][4] Crime rates spiked in the 1980s and
early 1990s as the crack epidemic hit the city.[5][6] According to a
2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist, New York was the
10th-overall-safest major city in the world, as well as the
28th-safest in personal safety.[7]

During the 1990s the New York City Police Department (NYPD) adopted
CompStat, broken windows policing and other strategies in a major
effort to reduce crime. The city's dramatic drop in crime has been
attributed by criminologists to policing tactics, the end of the crack
epidemic, and some have speculated more controversial ideas such as
the legalization of abortion approximately 18 years previous[5][6] and
the decline of lead poisoning of children.[8]
--------------------------------------------------------

I happen to agree with your assessment of Guiliani being a right-wing
pig but it's important to also give credit where credit is due. His
strategies for reducing crime were right on the money as proven by
NYC's reduced rates, as other major cities with similar demographics
increased.

[1] Langan; Matthew R. Durose (December 3–5, 2003). "The Remarkable
Drop in Crime in New York City". 2003 International Conference on
Crime. Rome, Italy. Retrieved April 17, 2009.

[2]Chung, Jen (January 1, 2015). "NYC Murder Rate Drops To New
Historic Low In 2014". The Gothamist. Archived from the original on
January 18, 2015.

[3]
http://www.amny.com/opinion/homicide-rate-still-at-historic-lows-in-new-york-1.11210870

[4] Goodman, J. David; Baker, Al (December 31, 2014). "Murders in New
York Drop to a Record Low, but Officers Aren't Celebrating". The New
York Times.


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