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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:10:46 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/26/17 11:57 AM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. === You (of course) missed the important message: new laws are not the answer. The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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#13
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 05:32:46 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Chuck's must have bought 'em all up! |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:55:20 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Between the two of you, your IQ's might add up to moron. Cook County, Illinois, where Chicago is located, has restrictive laws on the sale of firearms. There are no gun stores in Chicago, and Chicago, thanks to pressure by the NRA, no longer has restrictive gun laws. That last is pure bull****. The NRA pushes for real enforcement of the laws on the books. As usual, you're a liar. Anyone who wants to legally purchase a gun and who lives in Chicago can buy one just about anywhere else in Illinois and, of course, in neighboring Indiana. According to the Chicago Tribue, "When it comes to gun laws, big cities are only as strong as the states that border them. And in Chicago’s case, that’s Indiana. Bull****. In Chicago's case, that's right outside Chicago in Illinois. Thanks to Vice President Mike Pence, the former governor, Indiana has some of the weakest gun laws in the nation. "While Illinois has gone to great lengths to see that background checks are done for all gun purchases, Indiana has done the opposite. To buy a weapon in Illinois, the owner must have a valid firearms owner’s identification card, issued by the Illinois State Police. Wonder how all those Chicagoans bought all those guns in Illinois. "With no permit or license required to purchase a gun in Indiana, it is incredibly easy for a trafficker to drive across the state line, obtain a gun and use it to commit a homicide on the streets of Chicago." Almost 45% of the guns collected in Chicago came from Illinois. Less than 16% came from Indiana. Again, you're spreading bull****. Further, "...thanks to the Illinois General Assembly, which was pressured by the federal courts to pass a concealed carry law in 2013, people can walk the streets of Chicago with a gun attached to their waist and another strapped to their ankle. "Sorry, gun lovers, your attempts to use Chicago as a prop to bolster your claims that gun control laws do nothing to curb gun violence just don’t hold up. "New York, in fact, has stricter gun laws on the books than Chicago. And guess what? Its homicide numbers are heading toward historic lows. Los Angeles has some pretty tough gun laws too. Its homicide numbers also pale compared with Chicago’s. "Those kinds of details don’t fit the conservative, pro-gun narrative, though. To use New York as a talking point, they’d have to admit that strict gun laws might actually have an impact on homicide rates." What this adds up to is John Herring the Racist spreading his usual brand of manure about gun laws in Chicago. You cannot legally buy a firearm in Chicago, but I am sure it is easy to do in Flyover, Illinois, where Groundhog Day Tim sleeps. From where did you copy your bull****? |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/26/17 12:36 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:10:46 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 11:57 AM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. === You (of course) missed the important message: new laws are not the answer. The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. |
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#16
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. Hey Krause, you're the one that's been spreading the 'gun show loophole' excuse for the guns in Chicago. |
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#17
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:36:39 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:10:46 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 11:57 AM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. === You (of course) missed the important message: new laws are not the answer. The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Those damn facts again. |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/26/17 12:36 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:10:46 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 11:57 AM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. === You (of course) missed the important message: new laws are not the answer. The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. === Then stop whining and accept the consequences. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/26/17 1:15 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 12:36 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:10:46 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 11:57 AM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. === You (of course) missed the important message: new laws are not the answer. The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. === Then stop whining and accept the consequences. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com That's absurd. Despite the efforts of Grifter Trump, this isn't Germany of the 1930s and 1940s. |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:09:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: That's "Tribune", oh great "engrish" major. "In 2016, the Tribune endorsed the Libertarian Party candidate, former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson for president, over Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton." Surely they are "loony", having endorsed a Libertarian. Can't believe a word they print. Strange bedfellows...  Perhaps such thoughts are true in your little world, JackOff. Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. |
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