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Update on ecigs...
On 2/25/2012 8:53 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:56:59 -0500, wrote: In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You should get all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool. I don't smoke, nor does anyone in my family but that does not make me want to engage in irrational discrimination against those who do. There are "known carcinogens" in virtually everything around us. The issue is in the concentration, not the mere fact it is there. All of the anti smokers here have admitted it is the smell that offends them and they invent the danger based on that. It is like those people who say they are "allergic" to perfume and after shave simply because they don't like the smell. It has gotten to the point that people complain if they just see people smoking, too far away to even smell the smoke. I believe it is because they fear they will start smoking again if they are around tobacco, not that there is any real danger present if they had an ounce of will power. What is irrational about me not wanting to die because of the habits of others? Again, I could care less if someone is stupid enough to pump toxins into their body. But when they harm me or my family, that's different. JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Is he discrimenating against her? Yes, the stench IS a real problem, but my family's health is the real issue here. In most cases the smell is the ONLY issue. Maybe you don't understand how OSHA establishes limit values but without that science applied to cigarette smoke, it is just emotion. It really get's me. Now there is a town in California trying to ban smoking even in your own back yard because one intolerant neighbor complained about another neighbor... That is just ridiculous but still just the kind of selfish intolerance I expect from California. Yay, we support choice! As long as you make the same choice as we do!!! |
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#43
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Update on ecigs...
In article , says...
On 2/25/2012 2:48 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context made up bull****.. Just sayin'... Why do you care what iBoater or anyone else in the newsgroup says. You take these assholes too seriously. We are all here for entertainment purposes. Just don't think is cricket to make up stories about others family life to make a point... But I just wanted to make the point that I deny everything and anything he says about the way we live our lives here... Stop talking about your family and develop a thicker skin. |
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#44
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Update on ecigs...
On 2/25/2012 9:36 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On 2/25/2012 2:48 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context made up bull****.. Just sayin'... Why do you care what iBoater or anyone else in the newsgroup says. You take these assholes too seriously. We are all here for entertainment purposes. Just don't think is cricket to make up stories about others family life to make a point... But I just wanted to make the point that I deny everything and anything he says about the way we live our lives here... Stop talking about your family and develop a thicker skin. Don't care if he wants to think I boss my wife around, thick skin has nothing to do with it. I just don't like someone lying about what I said... And as to talking about my family, I am trying to pass along some info I bet each and every one of you knows someone who would be interested... |
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#45
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Update on ecigs...
In article ,
says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You should get all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool. I don't smoke, nor does anyone in my family but that does not make me want to engage in irrational discrimination against those who do. There are "known carcinogens" in virtually everything around us. The issue is in the concentration, not the mere fact it is there. All of the anti smokers here have admitted it is the smell that offends them and they invent the danger based on that. It is like those people who say they are "allergic" to perfume and after shave simply because they don't like the smell. It has gotten to the point that people complain if they just see people smoking, too far away to even smell the smoke. I believe it is because they fear they will start smoking again if they are around tobacco, not that there is any real danger present if they had an ounce of will power. What is irrational about me not wanting to die because of the habits of others? Again, I could care less if someone is stupid enough to pump toxins into their body. But when they harm me or my family, that's different. JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Is he discrimenating against her? Yes, the stench IS a real problem, but my family's health is the real issue here. There is nothing irrational about your fears, they are your fears and your fears alone. What you don't have is the right to foist your irrationality and fears upon the rest of society. You are free to live on your property and live your irrational and fear filled life all alone without interference from anyone. Again, it WOULD be irrational for me to tell someone not to smoke because they are harming themselves. I don't care how much someone smokes. Go ahead, get lung cancer, throat cancer, stomach cancer. I don't care. But smoking goes way beyond that, in that it directly harms others. I don't have a "fear filled life". But the fact remains, second hand smoke causes disease and death in innocent bystanders. Where are your independently repeated and peer reviewed studies that prove second hand smoke kills people? I grew up in a house with two parents who smoked at least two packs or more of cigarettes a day. So far, out of the 5 of us children there have been no cases of lung cancer from second hand smoke. There has been one case of lymphoma (parent) and two cases of breast cancer (sisters) but nobody developed lung cancer. With parents smoking in the house, in the car and every other place you would have thought that the kids would have suffered from breathing in all of that second hand smoke. I gave you plenty of cites with just that. You just refuse to see them. You do realize that there IS a correlation between breast cancer and second hand smoke, don't you? There are MANY health concerns associated with second hand smoke. But, hell, if you don't think so, take your kids to the airport and let them sit in the smoker's lounge for a few hours. It's a cool, clean, safe habit after all. Your blather above is nothing but hearsay and speculation. Are you really saying that because YOU never got lung cancer that second hand smoke is safe? There have been people who've survived after being doused with Agent Orange, too, does that mean it's safe? I fell through the ice once when it was zero degrees out, I made it home, barely, but I did. Does that mean it's safe to walk around in zero degree weather with soaking wet clothes? |
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#46
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Update on ecigs...
In article , says...
On 2/25/2012 2:48 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context made up bull****.. Just sayin'... Why do you care what iBoater or anyone else in the newsgroup says. You take these assholes too seriously. We are all here for entertainment purposes. Just don't think is cricket to make up stories about others family life to make a point... But I just wanted to make the point that I deny everything and anything he says about the way we live our lives here... What stories did I make up? |
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#47
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Update on ecigs...
In article ,
says... In article , says... On 2/25/2012 2:48 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context made up bull****.. Just sayin'... Why do you care what iBoater or anyone else in the newsgroup says. You take these assholes too seriously. We are all here for entertainment purposes. Just don't think is cricket to make up stories about others family life to make a point... But I just wanted to make the point that I deny everything and anything he says about the way we live our lives here... Stop talking about your family and develop a thicker skin. The funny thing is, I only repeated with HE said!! I want him to show where I lied about anything, then apologize when he can't. |
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#48
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Update on ecigs...
In article , says...
On 2/25/2012 9:36 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 2/25/2012 2:48 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context made up bull****.. Just sayin'... Why do you care what iBoater or anyone else in the newsgroup says. You take these assholes too seriously. We are all here for entertainment purposes. Just don't think is cricket to make up stories about others family life to make a point... But I just wanted to make the point that I deny everything and anything he says about the way we live our lives here... Stop talking about your family and develop a thicker skin. Don't care if he wants to think I boss my wife around, thick skin has nothing to do with it. I just don't like someone lying about what I said... And as to talking about my family, I am trying to pass along some info I bet each and every one of you knows someone who would be interested... Show me where I lied about anything. You can't. YOU said that you set up an "office" with a fan that created negative pressure so she could smoke in there. Why not let her smoke around you and the kids? After all, second hand smoke is great! |
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#49
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#50
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Update on ecigs...
In article , says...
On 2/25/2012 8:53 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:56:59 -0500, wrote: In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You should get all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool. I don't smoke, nor does anyone in my family but that does not make me want to engage in irrational discrimination against those who do. There are "known carcinogens" in virtually everything around us. The issue is in the concentration, not the mere fact it is there. All of the anti smokers here have admitted it is the smell that offends them and they invent the danger based on that. It is like those people who say they are "allergic" to perfume and after shave simply because they don't like the smell. It has gotten to the point that people complain if they just see people smoking, too far away to even smell the smoke. I believe it is because they fear they will start smoking again if they are around tobacco, not that there is any real danger present if they had an ounce of will power. What is irrational about me not wanting to die because of the habits of others? Again, I could care less if someone is stupid enough to pump toxins into their body. But when they harm me or my family, that's different. JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Is he discrimenating against her? Yes, the stench IS a real problem, but my family's health is the real issue here. In most cases the smell is the ONLY issue. Maybe you don't understand how OSHA establishes limit values but without that science applied to cigarette smoke, it is just emotion. It really get's me. Now there is a town in California trying to ban smoking even in your own back yard because one intolerant neighbor complained about another neighbor... That is just ridiculous but still just the kind of selfish intolerance I expect from California. Yay, we support choice! As long as you make the same choice as we do!!! As I've stated here many, many times. Smoke your brains out. It's a great addiction! The problem is, if you smoke in public you are forcing someone to breath in a substance known to cause many diseases. Take your kids to an airport and let them hang around in the smoker's lounge for a few hours, it's good for them! |
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