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says... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! |
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On 2/23/2012 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! You better believe it. Something like 34% of the nation is obese and almost literally each and every one of them WILL have health problems related to it before they die. Fat people seem to get a pass even though they are probably a lot more of a drain on society than smokers... |
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:18:55 -0800, "Califbill" wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! Ain't that the truth! |
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On 2/23/2012 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! You better believe it. Something like 34% of the nation is obese and almost literally each and every one of them WILL have health problems related to it before they die. Fat people seem to get a pass even though they are probably a lot more of a drain on society than smokers... Smoke away! Get your kids hooked on them too! Someone else's obesity doesn't harm your health. Someone else's smoke does. It's that simple. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults If you live or work with a smoker, be aware that their habit is having an impact on your health: The CDC reports that breathing secondhand smoke has an instant effect on a person's cardiovascular system. Even a slight exposure can damage the blood vessels and cause blood platelets to become stickier. Over time, these changes can result in heart disease and heart attacks. People regularly exposed to secondhand smoke have a 20 to 30% greater chance of developing lung cancer than those who are not exposed as often. Cigarette smoke contains around 70 cancer-causing chemicals including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic, ammonia, and hydrogen cyanide. Even brief exposure can damage your body cells leaving them prone to cancerous changes. The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Children The effects of secondhand smoke can be long-lasting for our littlest ones: According to the Office of the Surgeon General, babies living in a home where a parent smokes are at a higher risk of sudden infant death syndrome. It is believed that the chemicals in the smoke interfere with the way the brain regulates breathing. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that children of all ages who are constantly exposed to secondhand smoke are more likely to suffer from asthma, respiratory problems such as pneumonia and bronchitis, and middle ear infections. Children who grow up around smokers are likely to have smaller lungs and decreased lung function compared to those who come from non-smoking homes http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat...ondhand_smoke/ health_effects/ Exposure to secondhand smoke has immediate adverse effects on the cardiovascular system and can cause coronary heart disease.1,3 ?Secondhand smoke causes an estimated 46,000 premature deaths from heart disease each year in the United States among nonsmokers.4 ?Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or at work increase their risk of developing heart disease by 25?30%. Light 'em up, everybody! Harm your spouse, harm your children, harm me and my children because you think you enjoy a stinking filthy habit. I've been there, and am damned glad I had the stones to quit. If not for me, for my family. |
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On 2/23/12 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! It took me about a minute to google up reliable cites on the damage caused by second hand smoke. Frankly, your post reminds me of the shaky claims cigarette companies made decades ago when they were trying to deny their products caused lung cancer. I wouldn't object to extra and heavy taxes on fast food junk food. |
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says... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my children's health compromised. http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke |
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