In article , says...

On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X `
wrote:



I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on
cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them
collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating
selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure
at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale
of the damned things.


If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce.
That does not seem to be limiting the market.


The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for
smoking cigarettes.


So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers
I can tell you, you are wrong...

Really? Which is it, then, do cigarette smokers smoke to get high, or do
pot smokers smoke to not get high?

In article ,
says...

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X `
wrote:



I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on
cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them
collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating
selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure
at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale
of the damned things.


If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce.
That does not seem to be limiting the market.


The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for
smoking cigarettes.

Please enlighten us.

Pot smokers smoke to get high, cigarette smokers smoke because they are
addicted.

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:04:49 -0500, X ` Man wrote:

On 2/27/12 4:59 PM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:44:04 -0500, X ` wrote:

On 2/26/12 11:36 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/26/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote:


Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that
shows that second hand smoke causes health problems?

The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions,
sub-standard methods and politically driven persons.


What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate
medical research?

You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's
qualifications?




I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical
research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable
qualifications.


And that might be relevant if you could show him some "peer-reviewed
medical research in scientific publications".

Why? He doesn't have the medical/scientific qualifications to judge it.
I don't, and I have two university degrees.

He didn't say he wanted to judge it. He asked where it was. He obviously would like to see it. If
one has a smattering of statistics under their belt, much legitimate medical research is
understandable - especially the conclusions.


He obviously would like someone to do his homework for him. I posted a
long, long lists of mostly scientifically acceptable URLs.

Not to start anything, but what the hell is a 'scientifically acceptable URL'?

Well, I posted SEVERAL peer reviewed studies that Bar and Scotty asked
for. When I done so, they stuck there head in the sand immediately.

On 2/29/2012 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X `
wrote:



I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on
cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them
collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating
selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure
at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale
of the damned things.


If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce.
That does not seem to be limiting the market.


The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for
smoking cigarettes.


So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers
I can tell you, you are wrong...

Really? Which is it, then, do cigarette smokers smoke to get high, or do
pot smokers smoke to not get high?

Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them
lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette.
Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole?

--
O M G

On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote:
In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com,
dump-on-
says...

On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com,
dump-on-
says...

On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote:


Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed
research
that
shows that second hand smoke causes health problems?

The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect
conclusions,
sub-standard methods and politically driven persons.


What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge
legitimate
medical research?

You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone
else's
qualifications?




I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical
research in scientific publications, you ought to have some
recognizable
qualifications.

What are your qualifications to question anyone else's
qualifications?

It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole
dynamic.
Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different
level.
Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie
Homemaker...


You must have excised the content here.

I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an
ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly
is...

Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having?


I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information
is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other
sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous.

OK,...here we go...
Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come
over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world
travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to
go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on.

At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available.
Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty
stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing
price of 40 dollars an ounce...

Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements
realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to
take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin
to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all
over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a
lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher
and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the
imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something
foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was
still
available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the
domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by
the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier.

The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban
consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on
the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no
possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it
started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the
pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the
days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family.

Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically
developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go
for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)...

There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over
the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds
and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime
bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce
if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of
them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune...

So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a
nutshell


Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :)


Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up
and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail
stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as
although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some
folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax,
I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the
folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap...

Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be
rescinded?

--
O M G

On 2/29/2012 9:33 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 2/29/2012 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X `
wrote:



I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on
cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market
for them
collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating
selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm
sure
at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and
sale
of the damned things.


If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce.
That does not seem to be limiting the market.


The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for
smoking cigarettes.


So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers
I can tell you, you are wrong...

Really? Which is it, then, do cigarette smokers smoke to get high, or do
pot smokers smoke to not get high?

The fact is... High or low.. They both smoke for the drug in the material...



Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them
lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette.
Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole?

On 2/29/2012 9:41 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote:
In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com,
dump-on-
says...

On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com,
dump-on-
says...

On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote:


Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed
research
that
shows that second hand smoke causes health problems?

The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect
conclusions,
sub-standard methods and politically driven persons.


What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge
legitimate
medical research?

You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question
anyone
else's
qualifications?




I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed
medical
research in scientific publications, you ought to have some
recognizable
qualifications.

What are your qualifications to question anyone else's
qualifications?

It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole
dynamic.
Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different
level.
Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie
Homemaker...


You must have excised the content here.

I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an
ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly
is...

Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having?


I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my
information
is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other
sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous.

OK,...here we go...
Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come
over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other
world
travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to
go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on.

At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available.
Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the
specialty
stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing
price of 40 dollars an ounce...

Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements
realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to
take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin
to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all
over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada
where a
lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher
and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the
imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something
foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was
still
available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the
domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by
the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier.

The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban
consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on
the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no
possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back
where it
started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the
pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the
days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family.

Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically
developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go
for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)...

There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over
the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds
and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime
bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce
if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of
them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune...

So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a
nutshell


Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :)


Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up
and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail
stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as
although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some
folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax,
I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the
folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap...

Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be
rescinded?


No, I think Marijuana should be treated like Tobacco or Alcohol...

On 2/29/2012 9:48 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 9:41 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote:
In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com,
dump-on-
says...

On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com,
dump-on-
says...

On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote:


Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed
research
that
shows that second hand smoke causes health problems?

The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect
conclusions,
sub-standard methods and politically driven persons.


What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge
legitimate
medical research?

You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question
anyone
else's
qualifications?




I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed
medical
research in scientific publications, you ought to have some
recognizable
qualifications.

What are your qualifications to question anyone else's
qualifications?

It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole
dynamic.
Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different
level.
Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie
Homemaker...


You must have excised the content here.

I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an
ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly
is...

Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having?


I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my
information
is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other
sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous.

OK,...here we go...
Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come
over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other
world
travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to
go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on.

At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available.
Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the
specialty
stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing
price of 40 dollars an ounce...

Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements
realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to
take over the business. One of the things they did right away was
begin
to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all
over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada
where a
lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher
and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the
imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something
foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was
still
available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the
domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by
the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier.

The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban
consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on
the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no
possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back
where it
started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the
pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the
days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family.

Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically
developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now
can go
for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)...

There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming
over
the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds
and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime
bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce
if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of
them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune...

So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a
nutshell


Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :)


Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up
and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail
stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as
although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some
folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax,
I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the
folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap...

Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be
rescinded?


No, I think Marijuana should be treated like Tobacco or Alcohol...

Why tobacco?

--
O M G

On 2/29/2012 9:47 AM, JustWait wrote:



Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them
lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette.
Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole?



Pretty much depends on who is a better driver...

On 2/29/2012 9:56 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 9:47 AM, JustWait wrote:



Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them
lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette.
Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole?



Pretty much depends on who is a better driver...

So, you wouldn't mind sharing the road with a doper or alkey vs a
cigarette smoker?

--
O M G