On 4/23/2011 6:00 AM, Harryk wrote:
Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:53:50 -0400,
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:25:50 -0400,
wrote:

It's amazing how Americans have been brainwashed into believing
that the
world exists for corporations.
It's amazing to me how some people have become brainwashed into
believing that government can do a better job than private industry.

I'm supposed to be impressed with private industry's achievements in the
oil business, beyond sticking it to everyone?

Maybe it's just me but I believe that expensive oil is a lot better
than no oil.


The world is awash in oil at the moment.

No, it isn't.

On 25/04/2011 4:31 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:10:07 -0600,
wrote:

On 24/04/2011 12:19 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:25:11 -0600,
wrote:

which does nothing to address your bizarre statement that the US is
'anti business'

and who do you vote for when the big money has idiots like you
convinced that big money is big money because god wants it that way?

How so? Byzantine paperwork and rules,

let's see...the US has one of the least regulated economies on earth

Funny, I can think of many that this is not true.

yet you make up more right wing bull**** about 'rules' or some other
myths

the fact is, wall street ****ed us. there's no way around that fact

Think what you will. There is a reason why it took nearly a generation
for Russia to come back, had to wait for the dead weight burn out effect
to occur. USA is likely going to take the same, real recovery in say
2028 or so. In the mean time it will be choppy.

you can blame it on the easter bunny if you want

I don't blame anyone other than the corrupt. I follow it as I can't
change it, and don't even try. Trick is to work with what you have.

Same motivation as the greedy union guy but on the other side of the
fence. I don't put my capital to work for nothing any more that the
union guy pays to work there. We both win or the game if off.

but you cant wipe out the SIXTY TWO TRILLION in derivatives that wall
street bankrupted the country with

I don't do derivitives, I am in fact since 2004 out of bonds, out of
mortgages, out of anything lending money. Ok, I made some shorts on
Citibank, bought a few undervalue banks for a wuick 6 month gain of
15%... but no long term holds at all. I wouldn't buy a t-bill for
example. Dumped those in 2004.

No money in lending money in these markets.

so go ahead. keep telling yourself your little stories.

me? i'll play with the adults, thank you.

You have no money to play with adults, go back to gin or rummy.

need a law degree to even
contemplate opening a business without being sued, fined, harassed...
Then get a union up your arse like a stuck pig. Big hikes in utilities,
taxes and more taxes.

there are no unions in the US

another right wing myth...blame it on unions...

Not all, they can share the blame with inept management and excessive
environmental costs and corrupt, government in short. Spike it with
ponzi currency inflation...

Add them all up, why invest in a job producing business that depreciates?

Why not just buy a few pounds of gold, or silver or mines that produce
what people want, and of course oil -- that silver just crossed an all
time high of $50/oz and gold too... Last I checked, I never saw
precious metals go on strike. Management can't steal it if in my safety
deposit bin.

I can wait until the unions, management and government is hungry enough
to seek win-win for my capital.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On 25/04/2011 4:33 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:22:31 -0600,
wrote:

On 25/04/2011 6:47 AM, BAR wrote:

No doubt, the Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley was one mean bitch. But
will say his she left $4 billion into a charity trust.

and what was her use of money after she was dead? fine. let's get more
dead rich people. sounds like a great idea

It was here money and she should be able to dispose of it any way she
wants.

What do you plan to do with your left over "fortune", give it all to the
government? I sure hope so, they need it more than your children.

Pretty obvious wf3h is skint, does not think of his wife, family nor
others. Be lucky if he has enough to cover his funeral costs.


you right wingers have your stories and if this enables you to sleep
at night

be my guest

I sleep quite good. Both the furnaces work well. (yep, the house is
that big).

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On 25/04/2011 4:37 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:19:46 -0600,
wrote:

On 24/04/2011 12:27 PM, wf3h wrote:

Nothing wrong with profits, after all you don't go to work for nothing
do you? So why should my capital go to work unless I make a profit?

profits are not bad. what we have in the US is profits for the few and
risk for the many

Only because a few are investing in USA.

let's see.

in 1997 CDS's were 320 BILLION

10 years later?

SIXTY TWO TRILLION

That happens when a nation runs on a decade of debt. Your point?

Might want to think about all the inflation that represents.

so you're just spouting more right wing bull****

Funny. Said like a true welfare recipient.

You dont invest in USA, you
just whine. You want the wealth of an investor, but yet will not invest.

Not as much any more, less than 10% actually. Dropped much in 2004,
again in 2006 and 2007. Good thing about money, it moves.

and the investors cost the US economy TEN TRILLION in the last 2 years

So? Buy low, sell high and the denialist Liberals take the fall. If
you think a market is over valued, you sell out.

how'd that work out for the US? we doing OK? able to fund a big
military to defend us against the chinese?

Chances are if you went to war with China, you would run out of gas. My
money would be on China. USA can no longer afford war and have an
economy. And with all the fleabagger greed, is HarryK and defumer going
to give up their welfare for war?

I call them needy greedy slug fleabaggers. To envious and lazy to work
for it, and don't even invest in there own country.

Hey, you don't invest in yourself, you don't invest in your country, you
just whine a lot -- well no wonder your are a loser.

and if this little myth enables you to stop sucking your thumb, then i
have pity on you....go for it

No pity needed, I am not the one stooping with my need and greed for big
government welfare and bailouts.

and what was her use of money after she was dead? fine. let's get more
dead rich people. sounds like a great idea

More good than you will ever do.

yeah after she got out of PRISON

but because she's RICH you think that she's just fine

she DEFRAUDED the govt while OTHER people were paying their taxes.

so you ARE a SOCIALIST

for the rich

Hey, I didn't like the woman at all. Skag really. But she was
incorrectly accused of being a right wing republican.

More often than not, with some exceptions, the leftie fleabaggers are
the real greedy.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:25:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/04/2011 4:31 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:10:07 -0600,
wrote:

On 24/04/2011 12:19 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:25:11 -0600,
wrote:

which does nothing to address your bizarre statement that the US is
'anti business'

and who do you vote for when the big money has idiots like you
convinced that big money is big money because god wants it that way?

How so? Byzantine paperwork and rules,

let's see...the US has one of the least regulated economies on earth

Funny, I can think of many that this is not true.

when are you going to learn that every time you post some right wing
bull**** like this

you get ****ed??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...iveness_Report

the US has the 4th most competitive economy in the world

so another one of your reader's digest myths shot to hell


yet you make up more right wing bull**** about 'rules' or some other
myths

the fact is, wall street ****ed us. there's no way around that fact

Think what you will

yeah i go with evidence

you have your stories and myths.

you can blame it on the easter bunny if you want

I don't blame anyone other than the corrupt. I follow it as I can't
change it, and don't even try. Trick is to work with what you have.

Same motivation as the greedy union guy but on the other side of the
fence. I don't put my capital to work for nothing any more that the
union guy pays to work there. We both win or the game if off.

there are no US unions

and unions didnt suck TEN TRILLION DOLLARS out of the US economy like
wall street just did

so as long as you right wingers continue to wallow in the cesspool of
right wing myth

the longer is't gonna take countries to heal.


but you cant wipe out the SIXTY TWO TRILLION in derivatives that wall
street bankrupted the country with

I don't do derivitives, I am in fact since 2004 out of bonds,

no one gives a **** about your reader's digest stories

you right wingers have all your little sewing circle stories

liberals have evidence. but you're too much of a coward to face the
truth


so go ahead. keep telling yourself your little stories.

me? i'll play with the adults, thank you.

You have no money to play with adults, go back to gin or rummy.

be my guest. if it makes you happy, believe what you want. it's just
another way for you to rock yourself to sleep at night

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:39:53 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/04/2011 4:37 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:19:46 -0600,
wrote:

On 24/04/2011 12:27 PM, wf3h wrote:

Nothing wrong with profits, after all you don't go to work for nothing
do you? So why should my capital go to work unless I make a profit?

profits are not bad. what we have in the US is profits for the few and
risk for the many

Only because a few are investing in USA.

let's see.

in 1997 CDS's were 320 BILLION

10 years later?

SIXTY TWO TRILLION

That happens when a nation runs on a decade of debt. Your point?

uh no it doesnt

it happens when the right wing abandons legitimate regulation of
financial centers under the guise of 'smaller govt' then sits back and
watches the rich bankrupt the economy

it's not a 'nation' doing it

it's a political ideology of right wing laissez faire fundamentalist
capitalism married to a plutocratic theology

AKA the american right


Might want to think about all the inflation that represents.

so you're just spouting more right wing bull****

Funny. Said like a true welfare recipient.

hey like i said if it enables you to sleep at night

funny...SOME economists told us the economy was gonna blow up...based
on evidence

and most dimsissed it

and here you are. repeating the same mistake.

yep. you're right wing


You dont invest in USA, you
just whine. You want the wealth of an investor, but yet will not invest.

Not as much any more, less than 10% actually. Dropped much in 2004,
again in 2006 and 2007. Good thing about money, it moves.

and the investors cost the US economy TEN TRILLION in the last 2 years

So? Buy low, sell high and the denialist Liberals take the fall. If
you think a market is over valued, you sell out.

liberals?

george bush was a liberal? the congress in 2001 and 2003 was liberal?

you're engaging in the 'no true scostman' fallacy. in your right wing
mind, no matter WHAT the evidence says it's the fault of liberals

how do you know this? you dont

what's your evidence? you have none

but you just keep bleating it and hope no one catches you

but i just stepped on your tail

no wonder you're bitching like a firghtened cat


how'd that work out for the US? we doing OK? able to fund a big
military to defend us against the chinese?

Chances are if you went to war with China, you would run out of gas. My
money would be on China. USA can no longer afford war and have an
economy. And with all the fleabagger greed, is HarryK and defumer going
to give up their welfare for war?

i notice you IGNORED the FACT that WALL STREET caused this

you bleat about the FAILURE of the US without knowing it was the fault

of people like you. and continues to be the fault of the right wing


I call them needy greedy slug fleabaggers. To envious and lazy to work
for it, and don't even invest in there own country.

Hey, you don't invest in yourself, you don't invest in your country, you
just whine a lot -- well no wonder your are a loser.

and if this little myth enables you to stop sucking your thumb, then i
have pity on you....go for it

No pity needed, I am not the one stooping with my need and greed for big
government welfare and bailouts.

HAHAHAH welfare bailouts...you are in FAVOR of these for the rich and
avert your eyes from the greed of the rich

THEN you blame the non existent unions

you shriek the US is a communist state and dont even KNOW it has the
4th most compettive economy in the world

you just make up the **** you need to push your right wing delusions

"Harryk" wrote in message
m...

BAR wrote:
In articleHs6dnccI4r3x1yjQnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...
Corporations are not, like any individual, entitled to commit treason
with impunity.... no matter how important profit is, to some self
centered investors...

How unAmerican of you, Gene! :)
Don't you believe in corporations über alles?

I believe we need to "restructure" certain aspects of our society, and
part of that restructuring should be how we handle leases to explore and
drill for oil and natural gas.

There's nothing sacred about for-profit corporations. That model isn't
working anymore for us. It's milking the middle class dry and
accelerating the transfer of wealth to the very rich.

There are any number of oil-producing countries in which ownership of
that asset is retained by the state, and the revenues used to finance
the government. The problem here is that Americans have been brainwashed
into thinking the price-fixing, for-profit private sector that dominates
the energy business is the only way to do that sort of business.

This collectivization thing was tried before and it failed miserable.
Also, government control of all industry has failed miserable too.



Again, lack of education and deficits in your knowledge base of "current
events" have done you in. As I stated, "There are any number of
oil-producing countries in which ownership of that asset is retained by
the state, and the revenues used to finance the government."

I'm not talking about the failed Communist states here, Bertie. But you
think I am.

Reply:
Nope, you are talking about Mexico.

On Apr 25, 11:22*am, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2011 6:47 AM, BAR wrote:


Pretty obvious wf3h is skint, does not think of his wife, family nor
others. *Be lucky if he has enough to cover his funeral costs.



c'mon man be rational and don't say stupid stuff like that. Of course
he thinks of his wife. When she broke her hip, he sought out the best
care for her. That's a fact.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:56:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 25, 11:22*am, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2011 6:47 AM, BAR wrote:


Pretty obvious wf3h is skint, does not think of his wife, family nor
others. *Be lucky if he has enough to cover his funeral costs.



c'mon man be rational and don't say stupid stuff like that. Of course
he thinks of his wife. When she broke her hip, he sought out the best
care for her. That's a fact.

thanks tim...as always, a gentleman...

On 26/04/2011 4:13 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:56:26 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Apr 25, 11:22 am, wrote:
On 25/04/2011 6:47 AM, BAR wrote:


Pretty obvious wf3h is skint, does not think of his wife, family nor
others. Be lucky if he has enough to cover his funeral costs.



c'mon man be rational and don't say stupid stuff like that. Of course
he thinks of his wife. When she broke her hip, he sought out the best
care for her. That's a fact.

thanks tim...as always, a gentleman...

Why do I not believe this.


--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.