On 25/04/2011 3:52 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:00:52 -0600,
wrote:

On 24/04/2011 8:10 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:15:46 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:19:24 -0600,
wrote:



The fact that so many were blinded by liberalism debt greed, well, isn't
a righties fault. Just envy on the left as many sold at the bottom when
they should have been buying....but then again they had too much DEBT.

more cliches

any specifics?

no. i thought not. you ahve glen beck and rush and all the right wing
blather


Bobby, have you gone through all 99 weeks of your unemployment yet?


perhaps

but fortunately for you and your family

welfare goes on for a bit longer than that

Welfare should be eliminated. If a person is truly disabled, there is
disability. But welfare is an excuse to pay people to lay on their
backs and have babies they cannot otherwise afford.

If society needs such a function, perhaps government should take them in
like sheep, breed a better quality and manage their lives.

we should eliminate welfare for the rich before we touch it for the
poor

but the right wing would never go for that

Do both. Corruption from the top, or corruption from the bottom, both
are bad and time to stop feeding the parasites.

Get them off the backs of the middle class backbone of USA.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On 25/04/2011 9:16 AM, OmDeFlume wrote:
On 4/25/2011 10:27 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleZ8ydnbWCF5ea5yjQnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

BAR wrote:


They must have finally learned from the Union bookkeepers. How to
raid a
union pension fund and strike fund without going to jail.

Once again, you are betraying your ignorance. *All* union pension fund
officers have to be bonded. If there is a discrepancy in the pension
funds, the bonding company has to make it good. As it does, it gets in
contact with the prosecutors and pushes for criminal prosecution, and it
usually gets its way.

Go tell it to someone who will believe you.

Further, because of the difficulty of being in full compliance with all
the federal laws that pertain to pension funds, most union pension funds
retain professional administrators to handle the money and agree on
pension investments. These administrators are well aware of the many
federal regulations that pertain to pension funds, and they don't want
to go to jail, either.

Again, go tell it to someone who will believe you.

When you think of pension fund raiders, you should think of those
corporations that never bothered to fund their pension liabilities and
leave their retiring employees holding an empty bag. Or the corporations
that go bankrupt and leave their pensioned employees and future
pensioned employees holding an empty bag.

I haven't been covered by a pension plan since 1986. When that one
closed down I used the money I received to start my IRA. Since then I
have been funding my own retirement.

All the union financial corruption in this country since the beginning
of unions here is a drop in the bucket compared to the dollar value of
corporate corruption and Wall Street corruption.

Union corruption is notorious and rampant.

http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update



This is particularly disturbing. I wonder if Obama will sit down with
the members for a beer and a chat?
http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update

Probably will. I am sure they contributed to the Obama get elected fund.
Bought and paid for.
--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:10:07 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/04/2011 12:19 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:25:11 -0600,
wrote:

which does nothing to address your bizarre statement that the US is
'anti business'

and who do you vote for when the big money has idiots like you
convinced that big money is big money because god wants it that way?

How so? Byzantine paperwork and rules,

let's see...the US has one of the least regulated economies on earth

yet you make up more right wing bull**** about 'rules' or some other
myths

the fact is, wall street ****ed us. there's no way around that fact

you can blame it on the easter bunny if you want

but you cant wipe out the SIXTY TWO TRILLION in derivatives that wall
street bankrupted the country with

so go ahead. keep telling yourself your little stories.

me? i'll play with the adults, thank you.



need a law degree to even
contemplate opening a business without being sued, fined, harassed...
Then get a union up your arse like a stuck pig. Big hikes in utilities,
taxes and more taxes.

there are no unions in the US

another right wing myth...blame it on unions...

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:47:14 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:46:42 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

profits are not bad. what we have in the US is profits for the few and
risk for the many

the right wing enables this by continuing to assert that the rich are
rich because, in the US, you're rich because you 'work hard' or you're
'smarter' or some other such bull****

the OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE shows this is WRONG. but the right continues to
believe this MYTH


No doubt, the Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley was one mean bitch. But
will say his she left $4 billion into a charity trust.

and what was her use of money after she was dead? fine. let's get more
dead rich people. sounds like a great idea

It was here money and she should be able to dispose of it any way she
wants.

gee. that really wasnt the topic, was it?

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:22:31 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/04/2011 6:47 AM, BAR wrote:

No doubt, the Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley was one mean bitch. But
will say his she left $4 billion into a charity trust.

and what was her use of money after she was dead? fine. let's get more
dead rich people. sounds like a great idea

It was here money and she should be able to dispose of it any way she
wants.

What do you plan to do with your left over "fortune", give it all to the
government? I sure hope so, they need it more than your children.

Pretty obvious wf3h is skint, does not think of his wife, family nor
others. Be lucky if he has enough to cover his funeral costs.


you right wingers have your stories and if this enables you to sleep
at night

be my guest

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:19:46 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/04/2011 12:27 PM, wf3h wrote:

Nothing wrong with profits, after all you don't go to work for nothing
do you? So why should my capital go to work unless I make a profit?

profits are not bad. what we have in the US is profits for the few and
risk for the many

Only because a few are investing in USA.

let's see.

in 1997 CDS's were 320 BILLION

10 years later?

SIXTY TWO TRILLION

so you're just spouting more right wing bull****

do you EVER check ANY statement you make before you dump it here? it's
SO easy to kick your right wing ASS with all the LIES you tell


You dont invest in USA, you
just whine. You want the wealth of an investor, but yet will not invest.

and the investors cost the US economy TEN TRILLION in the last 2 years

how'd that work out for the US? we doing OK? able to fund a big
military to defend us against the chinese?

wall street make the US big and rich and powerful??


I call them needy greedy slug fleabaggers. To envious and lazy to work
for it, and don't even invest in there own country.

Hey, you don't invest in yourself, you don't invest in your country, you
just whine a lot -- well no wonder your are a loser.

and if this little myth enables you to stop sucking your thumb, then i
have pity on you....go for it


the right wing enables this by continuing to assert that the rich are
rich because, in the US, you're rich because you 'work hard' or you're
'smarter' or some other such bull****

the OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE shows this is WRONG. but the right continues to
believe this MYTH


No doubt, the Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley was one mean bitch. But
will say his she left $4 billion into a charity trust.

and what was her use of money after she was dead? fine. let's get more
dead rich people. sounds like a great idea

More good than you will ever do.

yeah after she got out of PRISON

but because she's RICH you think that she's just fine

she DEFRAUDED the govt while OTHER people were paying their taxes.

so you ARE a SOCIALIST

for the rich

On 25/04/2011 9:20 AM, OmDeFlume wrote:
On 4/25/2011 11:16 AM, OmDeFlume wrote:
On 4/25/2011 10:27 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleZ8ydnbWCF5ea5yjQnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

BAR wrote:


They must have finally learned from the Union bookkeepers. How to
raid a
union pension fund and strike fund without going to jail.

Once again, you are betraying your ignorance. *All* union pension fund
officers have to be bonded. If there is a discrepancy in the pension
funds, the bonding company has to make it good. As it does, it gets in
contact with the prosecutors and pushes for criminal prosecution,
and it
usually gets its way.

Go tell it to someone who will believe you.

Further, because of the difficulty of being in full compliance with all
the federal laws that pertain to pension funds, most union pension
funds
retain professional administrators to handle the money and agree on
pension investments. These administrators are well aware of the many
federal regulations that pertain to pension funds, and they don't want
to go to jail, either.

Again, go tell it to someone who will believe you.

When you think of pension fund raiders, you should think of those
corporations that never bothered to fund their pension liabilities and
leave their retiring employees holding an empty bag. Or the
corporations
that go bankrupt and leave their pensioned employees and future
pensioned employees holding an empty bag.

I haven't been covered by a pension plan since 1986. When that one
closed down I used the money I received to start my IRA. Since then I
have been funding my own retirement.

All the union financial corruption in this country since the beginning
of unions here is a drop in the bucket compared to the dollar value of
corporate corruption and Wall Street corruption.

Union corruption is notorious and rampant.

http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update



This is particularly disturbing. I wonder if Obama will sit down with
the members for a beer and a chat?
http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update

I intended for you to see the UAW video. You need to scroll down a bit
to view it.

Love that web site. Tells it how it is. Big time corruption. But not
all of it belongs to UAW...they were in part used.

Saudi bin Laden and big billionaires invest in Carlyle. Even Bush has
ties there. Carlyle is a major player in GM and GM pension. See McCain
and Palin honest people come in strong, back Obama for the black vote
because he is a "friendly" to corrupt influences. So while Bush only
gave GM $13B to keep them going, and corrupt congress/senate didn't
scream misappropriation... well, Obama bailed them all out.

Huge corruption. Same reasons some banks got the bailout and others did
not, just depends who the big depositors and owners were.

It is why government should never be used to tax and saddle debt on
citizens for bailout corruption.

BT, GM stock was suffering before Japan, so as the site says, GM's
latest excuse.
--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On 25/04/2011 10:54 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 25/04/2011 8:27 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleZ8ydnbWCF5ea5yjQnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

BAR wrote:


They must have finally learned from the Union bookkeepers. How to raid a
union pension fund and strike fund without going to jail.

Once again, you are betraying your ignorance. *All* union pension fund
officers have to be bonded. If there is a discrepancy in the pension
funds, the bonding company has to make it good. As it does, it gets in
contact with the prosecutors and pushes for criminal prosecution, and it
usually gets its way.

Go tell it to someone who will believe you.

Further, because of the difficulty of being in full compliance with all
the federal laws that pertain to pension funds, most union pension funds
retain professional administrators to handle the money and agree on
pension investments. These administrators are well aware of the many
federal regulations that pertain to pension funds, and they don't want
to go to jail, either.

Again, go tell it to someone who will believe you.

When you think of pension fund raiders, you should think of those
corporations that never bothered to fund their pension liabilities and
leave their retiring employees holding an empty bag. Or the corporations
that go bankrupt and leave their pensioned employees and future
pensioned employees holding an empty bag.

I haven't been covered by a pension plan since 1986. When that one
closed down I used the money I received to start my IRA. Since then I
have been funding my own retirement.

All the union financial corruption in this country since the beginning
of unions here is a drop in the bucket compared to the dollar value of
corporate corruption and Wall Street corruption.

Union corruption is notorious and rampant.

http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update


Didn't do squat for NorTel, GMers, and others either. All those union
dues for nothing. Just feeds the corruption.

Didn't do anything for Finast either, except bleed them till they sold
to a non-union outfit out of Canada... Didn't do anything for Pratt and
Whitney, or dozens of other CT companies either... On the way to
dismantling the grocery industry here, they made a bunch on the whole
"Sure Fine" sugar company (stop and shop) too...

That is one of the good indicators of a good presidential candidate, fix
the pension corruption by forcing all companies to deposit pension
moneys in your account, in your name and in your control just like your
pay stub...every 2 weeks. None of this find out in 40 years later the
buggers are corrupt. Ditto disability plan funding. Just scamming the
people all over.

But trouble is government does it too with SS.

Probably go a long way to help older workers not get the axe. Many
companies axed older workers to avoid a full pension realization. Sad,
but true --- everyone knows it goes on but just hard to prove inn any
one particular case. o they get away with it.

My first exposure was in may late 20's when I became privy to the plans
of a manufacturing plant. It was designed precisely for a 20 year
operation and would move. In 21 years it did.

That is why few black hole plans like CPP, SS, or company pension plans
will not quote you your specific cashable value in these plans. A fraud
really. Big time industry wide fraud. Thanks for me listening, I
figure it preserved a lot of wealth for me.

Mine was leaving 2 companies, NorTel in 1995 and a US company in
2007...both to get my pensions out of a company on the downturn.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On 25/04/2011 3:26 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:00:31 -0400, Wayne wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:43:55 -0400, John
wrote:

Remember...without corporations, there would be no unions. Then where would all the liberal whining
come from?

That's easy. They'd have to look in the mirror and blame the first
person they saw. After all it must be someone's fault that oil is
running out and the primary producing region is politically unstable.
Wait until they start rioting in Saudia Arabia. That's probably
coming at some point.

But for now, let's blame Harry unless it's really you John. You two
guys live closer to Washington than anyone else I know.

I keep calling 'Bama and asking him to make the government bigger. I'm thinking he could take over
the Lawn Maintenance and Landscaping services nationwide. Once he unionized them, he'd have more
ardent followers.

I'm not sure I follow the rationale that says we attack Kaddafi because he's attacking his people.
What would our government and military do if a bunch of us started shooting soldiers? Would we get
shot, or would 'Bama say we shouldn't be hurt?

Kaddafi being attacked is as simple as three reasons.

1) Libya is a near zero debt central bank (like te US Fed) and solvent
government. Like China, ignores the IMF fraud bankers policies.
2) Libya cheap oil
3) Euro/France colonial interests in above. He uttered nationalization.

And possibly a 4th, when Obama called him up, unlike Egypts Mubarak, he
told Obama to stuff himself.

For if it is about democracy, why is Obama supporting armed minority al
Qaeda associated militants when unarmed civilians are being shot by
governments in Yemen, Behrain and Syria?

Bet there are not too many leaders in the world that trust US foreign
policy and Obama right now.
--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On 4/22/2011 2:31 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
Of course Obama blames "speculators" because that is ALWAYS the reason
why gas costs anything. It is a bit like saying the sky is blue
because it bluish colored. However, what Obama actually means is that
in this context, "speculators" is a code word for "reaql

Are you sure "reaql" isn't a code word for "speculators"?

Gas is approaching $5.00 per gallon because supplies are tight and
demand is high. That's the reason.