On 8-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

great article in 'slate'...

http://www.slate.com/id/2266025/entr.../?hpid=topnews

multipart series...telling us what the right doesnt want us to know.

How can a middle class be poor and getting poorer? If they're poor, they're
not the
middle class" unless the "new middle class" are the schlubs in the
"new service economy" desperately hanging onto their walkers just inside the
door at Walmart.

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:18:01 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:34:44 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:16:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:11:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:44:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

great article in 'slate'...

http://www.slate.com/id/2266025/entr.../?hpid=topnews

multipart series...telling us what the right doesnt want us to know.

The only problem with your characterization is a lefty is more likely
to be rich. The blue counties are certainly richer than the red ones.

That's right. The general population of blue states are better off than
those in the red states. This, I suppose, is a bad thing... that under
Democrat leadership, people tend to prosper.


Lawyers, doctors, insurance companies and government workers do a
whole lot better.

Sheesh, thought they had all those folks in Red states too.

Not as many and not as rich

Is it because blue states are just more packed with more natural and
business resources or is it that blue citizens have made 'em that way?

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:20:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:35:54 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:22:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:31:57 -0400, lil abner wrote:

One small business went out
that was building construction materials. However Lowes and Home Depot
are still around.

They sell Chinese products on the cheap. They are still pretty slow.
You certainly have no problem finding a parking space. Finding someone
who knows anything in the store is tough tho. They are running pretty
lean.
Their business model is "this is a do it yourself store", If you want
to find something, do it yourself. If you want it tied on your car, do
it yourself. Most HD/Lowes these days even want you to check your
stuff out yourself.

I hate all the Chinese crap they sell. I look for alternatives
whenever possible. It's getting harder every day.

Maybe it is time for a real thrust to buy American but that never
really takes off when you see the price tags.

Really? I bought a 23 year old german car rather than a new American
car. Why? Quality. The 23 year old car rides, drives better despite
lacking 23 years of technical progress.

The 23 year old car was more expensive than most modern American boxes
but it won't depreciate like the American pieces of crap.

I'd much rather purchase a superior American product, even at a higher
price. They aren't offered anymore because cheap **** imported by
Walmart, Target and others have flooded the shelves.

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:58:47 -0700, jps wrote:

Sheesh, thought they had all those folks in Red states too.

Not as many and not as rich

Is it because blue states are just more packed with more natural and
business resources or is it that blue citizens have made 'em that way?

Interesting question.
It has to be pointed out that the greatest income disparity is in the
biggest cities so there is not going to be one answer.
Another interesting thing is the two richest Americans (Gates and
Buffett) do not live in a big city.

Gates' house is near Seattle.
Buffet lives outside of Omaha.

You expect them to live in the inner city?

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On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 21:33:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:23:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Because it is easier to exploit red state workers.

The operative word is "workers". The blue state people were fired when
the plants moved.

?? Completely untrue and at best an exaggeration that has little
meaning.

Tell it to Detroit.

So, the auto industry laid off people who were mostly blue collar are
doing
better than their red state cousins? Are you claiming Michigan is a red
state or blue state? It's so confusing!


A UAW worker in Detroit or Indiana was making twice what a red state
worker makes. That was Harry's point.
Detroit is blue as is most of that area where the big factories were
(Ohio, Indiana, Michigan),
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/

The jobs went to Tennessee, Georgia, Canada or Mexico.
Have you seen the "content" sticker on an "American" car lately?
They are usually about 40-50% American.
If it is a foreign brand, manufactured in the US there still is less
than 50% US content and the assembly will be in a red state.

Nope... get the facts, then type..

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200811250012

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:58:47 -0700, jps wrote:

Sheesh, thought they had all those folks in Red states too.

Not as many and not as rich

Is it because blue states are just more packed with more natural and
business resources or is it that blue citizens have made 'em that way?

Interesting question.
It has to be pointed out that the greatest income disparity is in the
biggest cities so there is not going to be one answer.
Another interesting thing is the two richest Americans (Gates and
Buffett) do not live in a big city.

Gates' house is near Seattle.
Buffet lives outside of Omaha.

You expect them to live in the inner city?


'Near' and 'in' are two entirely different things.

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A UAW worker in Detroit or Indiana was making twice what a red state
worker makes. That was Harry's point.

Actually, the wages were real close last I looked, which has been a
while.
A couple bucks an hour at most.
Averages were $19 and $17 when I looked. Maybe 10-15 years ago.

The benefits were the big difference, especially pension.
The UAW has been trying to organize U.S. Toyota plants for years, so
Toyota keeps wages real close. Same with Honda.
A quick look on the net seems to confirm that, but I don't feel like
digging.

Without the UAW around the non-union Toyota workers would see a steep
decline in wages.
Whether they vote aye or nay to unionize, the last thing Toyota/Honda
workers want is for the UAW to go away.
Some know that, others think Toyota and Honda are just "nice guys"
who would continue to pay them the same good bucks even if the UAW
wasn't on their heels.
Takes all kinds.


Jim - If Harry said UAW wages are double, he don't know squat.

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:58:47 -0700, jps wrote:

Sheesh, thought they had all those folks in Red states too.

Not as many and not as rich

Is it because blue states are just more packed with more natural and
business resources or is it that blue citizens have made 'em that way?

Interesting question.
It has to be pointed out that the greatest income disparity is in the
biggest cities so there is not going to be one answer.
Another interesting thing is the two richest Americans (Gates and
Buffett) do not live in a big city.

Gates' house is near Seattle.
Buffet lives outside of Omaha.

You expect them to live in the inner city?


'Near' and 'in' are two entirely different things.

Do you expect them to live NEAR the inner city? Happy now?

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:06:24 -0700, jps wrote:

Maybe it is time for a real thrust to buy American but that never
really takes off when you see the price tags.

Really? I bought a 23 year old german car rather than a new American
car. Why? Quality. The 23 year old car rides, drives better despite
lacking 23 years of technical progress.

The 23 year old car was more expensive than most modern American boxes
but it won't depreciate like the American pieces of crap.

I'd much rather purchase a superior American product, even at a higher
price. They aren't offered anymore because cheap **** imported by
Walmart, Target and others have flooded the shelves.

You just said two different things.

He just loves his German screw drivers. I wonder if there are any quality
American toolmakers left?

On Sep 10, 3:44*pm, "Harry ?" wrote:
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:06:24 -0700, jps wrote:

Maybe it is time for a real thrust to buy American but that never
really takes off when you see the price tags.

Really? *I bought a 23 year old german car rather than a new American
car. *Why? *Quality. *The 23 year old car rides, drives better despite
lacking 23 years of technical progress.

The 23 year old car was more expensive than most modern American boxes
but it won't depreciate like the American pieces of crap.

I'd much rather purchase a superior American product, even at a higher
price. *They aren't offered anymore because cheap **** imported by
Walmart, Target and others have flooded the shelves.

You just said two different things.

He just loves his German screw drivers. I wonder if there are any quality
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It is difficult to find a lot of items of any quality anymore, even if
you spend the dollars. From clothes, to services, to restraunts...
Nobody cares enough about quality to build it, and our (Americans)
interest in it went out the window decades ago...