"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:11:33 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:09:27 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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does not cover pre existing conditions

healthcare premiums go through the roof

the free market has failed.

Most everything is covered, via Medicare or the supplemental. Except
for
the drug donut hole. No copay etc. Seniors go to the doctor and the
hospital for simple checkups for entertainment these days. Especially
prevalent in Florida from what I understand.

and the free market system is on the verge of collapse



Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if the
person
did not have insurance previously?

not very bright here, are you? kinda stupid actually.

what happens when you lose your job and have to get another one? or
you have to self insure?

christ, even for a right wing pimp you're stupid. honest to christ.



If you have insurance when you lose your job, you can continue insurance.
You are stupid. Cobra if the company is still in buiness. HIPPA if your
Cobra runs out. And as I said before. If someone has insurance, then the
next company should be required to grant coverage. If no insurance, then
you are **** out of luck! I guess you think you should be able to buy fire
insurance the day after your house burns, and be covered.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 01:38:26 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:11:33 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if the
person
did not have insurance previously?


They have to now, imagine what that will do to our premiums.

aw, gee whiz. why the **** not just shoot the *******s when they get
sick let's become spartans. put sick babies out on the rocks so they
die of exposure

is that your logic?

You would not recognize logic if it bit your arse.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:12:31 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:17:39 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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yeah. it's a tragedy what wall street has done to main street


And it is a bigger tragedy what Pennsylvania Ave is doing to the future
generations.


you mean restoring jobs?

preventing 25% unemployment?

yeah, given your hatred of the middle class, i'm sure you're weeping
that the rich aren't allowed to eat the children of the poor


25%, 35% unemployment will probably have been better than stealing from
future generations to prevent the pain now. Instead of putting the babies
out in the cold on rocks, they should be putting the current generations out
to die. We have priced this country out of the world market for most
things. We now pay our people 10x what an Asian country will pay. Used to
be about 3x. So how the hell are we to do manufacturing competitively in
this country? We can not survive as a "Service Provider" country. We are
even outsourcing the call service centers to Inida and Pakistan. Can not
even be a competitive Service Provider"!

"hk" wrote in message
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On 4/18/10 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.


You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.




And what if it takes 10 years and 20 bills and it is still screwed up? Why
pass such a flawed bill?

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 17/04/2010 5:22 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Which has little to do with the argument that tort reform is going to
save
the healthcare system.

Tort reform would save the whole economic system. The lawyers tax is a
drag on the whole economy, producing absolutely nothing.



?? Come on. More nonsense. Most lawyers are honest and hardworking.
Lawyers
founded this country. We have nothing to be ashamed of.

The only explaination I have is lawyers back then were more honest and
under a lot more scruteny on the issue of governance. Probably because
many of their peers were NOT lawyers and they had to get acceptance from
the people.

"We the people..." founded the USA. Otherwise the residents would have
hung the idiots as traitors to the crown, and they were traitors to the
British. But victors write the history books.

BTW, I think they did a good job. Just an observation that they were
British subjects before they were Americans.

--
Time to ask ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the
government?

To be a lawyer in those days, you did not have to indoctrinated by a law
school. Just read the books and take the bar exam.

Only partially correct. You had to apprentice with an established lawyer,
much as John Adams did. As usual, you know little about what you write.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I read no where of Lincoln apprenticing with an established lawyer. I think
he was already a state senator when he took the bar.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:10:02 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:06:09 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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W.

it doesn't work. how much evidence do you need? it's kind of like
asking 'who's buried in grant's tomb'?




yeah. and there's never been 'true communism'. and there's never been
'true christianity'

face it. the free market failed in healthcare. it's a failure. state
controlled healthcare provides better care at lower cost. if your way
worked, the US healthcare market would be the best in the world

it's not. it's a failure. the market has failed. that's what the data
and the evidence shows.

it's time to move on.



Basically state controlled health care. Via control of insurance
companies
and where they can sell.

bull****. if this is 'state controlled' healthcare...then why is TRUE
'socialized medicine'....more efficient than ours?

again and again you dodge the issue. again and again you ignore the
evidence. and you do so because your wall street god is dead.

And you bring up Christianity. Bad place to bring it up. How about the
Catholic Church (there are others with hospitals also, very good
hospitals)?

no one gives a **** about the child raping catholic church and its
pimp bishops.


And part of a Sam Miller statement.

"Do you know - the Catholic Church educates 2.6 million students

yeah. a nice little stable of boys to play with

everyday at
the cost to that Church of 10 billion dollars, and a savings on the other
hand to the American taxpayer of 18 billion dollars

to date theyv'e paid out 2 billion in insurance claims.

"

How many atheists have schools and hospitals?

actually, all of them. we support them with our taxes. we just dont
rape the chlidren we care for

Same reason mean teach grammar school? Are you a closet pedophile?



The mean teach grammar school?????


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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:12:31 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:17:39 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



yeah. it's a tragedy what wall street has done to main street


And it is a bigger tragedy what Pennsylvania Ave is doing to the future
generations.


you mean restoring jobs?

preventing 25% unemployment?

yeah, given your hatred of the middle class, i'm sure you're weeping
that the rich aren't allowed to eat the children of the poor


25%, 35% unemployment will probably have been better than stealing from
future generations to prevent the pain now. Instead of putting the babies
out in the cold on rocks, they should be putting the current generations
out to die. We have priced this country out of the world market for most
things. We now pay our people 10x what an Asian country will pay. Used
to be about 3x. So how the hell are we to do manufacturing competitively
in this country? We can not survive as a "Service Provider" country. We
are even outsourcing the call service centers to Inida and Pakistan. Can
not even be a competitive Service Provider"!

More bs. You have no concept of what that would be like. Bread lines? People
starving to death? No medical help?

You're a moron.

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Nom=de=Plume

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:11:33 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:09:27 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


does not cover pre existing conditions

healthcare premiums go through the roof

the free market has failed.

Most everything is covered, via Medicare or the supplemental. Except
for
the drug donut hole. No copay etc. Seniors go to the doctor and the
hospital for simple checkups for entertainment these days. Especially
prevalent in Florida from what I understand.

and the free market system is on the verge of collapse



Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if the
person
did not have insurance previously?

not very bright here, are you? kinda stupid actually.

what happens when you lose your job and have to get another one? or
you have to self insure?

christ, even for a right wing pimp you're stupid. honest to christ.



If you have insurance when you lose your job, you can continue insurance.
You are stupid. Cobra if the company is still in buiness. HIPPA if your
Cobra runs out. And as I said before. If someone has insurance, then the
next company should be required to grant coverage. If no insurance, then
you are **** out of luck! I guess you think you should be able to buy
fire insurance the day after your house burns, and be covered.



If you don't, you're screwed. If you use COBRA, it's wildly expensive. SOL
is your idea of a civil society. got it.

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Nom=de=Plume

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:11:33 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if the
person
did not have insurance previously?


They have to now, imagine what that will do to our premiums.

In that Frontline show I talked about the insurance company lobbyist
put her finger right on it. She said their actuaries immediately went
to work computing what the effect was going to be on premiums.
These people are bookies., They don't care which team you pick, they
just adjust the line and take your bet.
That is the wild card nobody wants to talk about.


More bs. Pre-existing conditions could be something minor and usually are.
The "actuaries" are always at work. They don't determine policy. They only
define risk.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 01:38:26 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:11:33 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if the
person
did not have insurance previously?


They have to now, imagine what that will do to our premiums.

aw, gee whiz. why the **** not just shoot the *******s when they get
sick let's become spartans. put sick babies out on the rocks so they
die of exposure

is that your logic?

You would not recognize logic if it bit your arse.

I'm guessing you use a lot of soothing cream.

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Nom=de=Plume