On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 21:25:31 -0600, Canuck57
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On 17/04/2010 7:29 PM, bpuharic wrote:

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You are a good little Democrat brownshirt.

says the guy who believes 'arbeit macht frei'


I have lived more than 10 years on each side of the US/CAN border. Even
2 years in UK.

If I took my tax savings while working in the US and subtract hy health
care premiums and expenses for my wife and I, I was still far better off
in the USA by a long shot.

no one gives a **** about you. the fact is your healthcare is more
efficient than ours.

i'm a scientist. i go with data. i see us spending 17% of GDP on
healthcare

you spend 10%. and yours is better.

you? you're a sock puppet.


Dumb****s like you know squat. To you crossing the state line is a big
deal as your parole officer might find out. Just a 2 bit loser.

when's the last time you were in korea or malaysia?

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:13:46 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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you mean restoring jobs?

preventing 25% unemployment?

yeah, given your hatred of the middle class, i'm sure you're weeping
that the rich aren't allowed to eat the children of the poor


25%, 35% unemployment will probably have been better than stealing from
future generations to prevent the pain now

ah. so you're gambling with the middle class. interesting. it took 15
years to end the depression. lots of kids died from inaddequate care,
homeless etc

but you're willing to let them take that chance, right?


.. Instead of putting the babies
out in the cold on rocks, they should be putting the current generations out
to die. We have priced this country out of the world market for most
things.

BULL****. this is where the right wing train goes of the track

THE MIDDLE CLASS DID NOTHING.

this is like blaming californians for 3 mile island

this was engineered by right wing monetarists like milton friedman,
hayek, alan greenspan and all the right wing dems and republicans who
believed in the unregulated free market

'we' did nothing.

that's the problem the right wing cant understand. they blame main
street when it's a WALL STREET problem.

We now pay our people 10x what an Asian country will pay. Used to
be about 3x.

ever see what the ratio between the CEO of walmart and the average
hourly employee wage is?

about 1000:1

So how the hell are we to do manufacturing competitively in
this country? We can not survive as a "Service Provider" country. We are
even outsourcing the call service centers to Inida and Pakistan. Can not
even be a competitive Service Provider"!

we can't be competitive because the right glorifies money instead of
hard work

just like you do.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:07:54 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:11:33 -0700, "Bill McKee"




Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if the
person
did not have insurance previously?

not very bright here, are you? kinda stupid actually.

what happens when you lose your job and have to get another one? or
you have to self insure?

christ, even for a right wing pimp you're stupid. honest to christ.



If you have insurance when you lose your job, you can continue insurance.

ROFLMAO!! hey moron

ever been unemployed? ever priced COBRA? ever looked at how much you
get in unemployment benefits?

****. you know zip about anything at all

You are stupid. Cobra if the company is still in buiness. HIPPA if your
Cobra runs out. And as I said before. If someone has insurance, then the
next company should be required to grant coverage. If no insurance, then
you are **** out of luck! I guess you think you should be able to buy fire
insurance the day after your house burns, and be covered.

except, until obama came along. insurance companies could tell you to
go **** yourself

and to the right wing, that's the voice of god.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:55:50 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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Actually I have been on both. And you bring up the expensive COBRA. Also
points out how expensive insurance is for a company.

TA DA!!! even a right wing ASSHOLE finally gets it!

YES, US HEALTHCARE IS EXPENSIVE!!!

it's the most expensive in the WORLD. but the right wing thinks that's
GREAT!!

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:09:13 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:55:50 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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Actually I have been on both. And you bring up the expensive COBRA. Also
points out how expensive insurance is for a company. COBRA cost can only be
10% more than the company pays for insurance. My wife went on some medicine
just before a company went out of business. So I had to get HIPAA as she
was "uninsurable". Reason I started another company was so I could get a
group plan for affordable health insurance. And you can get Blue Cross with
group with 2 people.


This begs the question, how much does everyone think the Obama plan
individual insurance is going to be? Do they really think it will be
much less than COBRA?
Unless something got changed in reconciliation, the senate plan capped
rates at $12,000 a year and there is no guarantee that an insurance
company would actually write a policy for that.

then we break the companies and go to a single provdier


As I said, this plan was written to fail so they can say, "see, the
free market doesn't work".

we already say that you idiot!!

The only question left is whether we would ever actually vote in the
tax hikes necessary to fund a single payer government system.

other countries do it. they spend less than we do and get more for it

what part of this dont you understand?

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:08:53 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 01:38:26 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:11:33 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if the
person
did not have insurance previously?


They have to now, imagine what that will do to our premiums.

aw, gee whiz. why the **** not just shoot the *******s when they get
sick let's become spartans. put sick babies out on the rocks so they
die of exposure

is that your logic?

You would not recognize logic if it bit your arse.

why? is my name rush limballs?

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:05:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 01:38:26 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:11:33 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if the
person
did not have insurance previously?


They have to now, imagine what that will do to our premiums.

aw, gee whiz. why the **** not just shoot the *******s when they get
sick let's become spartans. put sick babies out on the rocks so they
die of exposure

is that your logic?

You would not recognize logic if it bit your arse.

I'm guessing you use a lot of soothing cream.

if he ever used preparation H he'd disappear.

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:12:31 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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yeah. it's a tragedy what wall street has done to main street


And it is a bigger tragedy what Pennsylvania Ave is doing to the
future
generations.


you mean restoring jobs?

preventing 25% unemployment?

yeah, given your hatred of the middle class, i'm sure you're weeping
that the rich aren't allowed to eat the children of the poor


25%, 35% unemployment will probably have been better than stealing
from
future generations to prevent the pain now. Instead of putting the
babies out in the cold on rocks, they should be putting the current
generations out to die. We have priced this country out of the world
market for most things. We now pay our people 10x what an Asian
country
will pay. Used to be about 3x. So how the hell are we to do
manufacturing competitively in this country? We can not survive as a
"Service Provider" country. We are even outsourcing the call service
centers to Inida and Pakistan. Can not even be a competitive Service
Provider"!

More bs. You have no concept of what that would be like. Bread lines?
People starving to death? No medical help?

You're a moron.

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Going to happen with even more dire results if the government does not
reign in their over spending.

I agree, but it's going to take a while to get back to the way a gov't
should be financed. You can't throw untold millions out of work, 25-35%
as
an alternative to the gov't overspending now. One way to do that is
called
PayGo, which is being opposed by Republicans. Another is to reign in the
cost that insurance companies add to the healthcare costs. This was done
in
a limited way by the bill that just got signed into law. It was opposed
by
Republicans and right-wing nuts. More needs to be done.. e.g., financial
regs some of which Dodd's bill address. Again, opposed by Republicans.
Why
the opposition? Certainly nothing to do with the facts on the ground.
It's
all about political posturing.




The Repubs are also opposed reform measures for wall street, and spreading
lies about what is being proposed. Mitch McConnell is so obviously lying,
even he can't keep a straight face on this issue.



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The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.


And, it's all for their reelection, which I think is in doubt. What exactly
do they have to run on? Some are even claiming credit for the Stim!

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:29:41 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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If preexisting conditions were a minor problem we wouldn't have ever
heard about them. The actuaries were put to work to assess a dollar
value on the number of uninsured people with these conditions along
with the number of 18-25 year old kids they will have to pick up. That
cost will be spread out across everyoone else and determine what we
will all pay.

I said most preexisting conditions. Some are big deals, but not being able
to get insurance even because of minor problem means MUCH higher costs for
the individual for everything else, esp. if they have issue that requires
significant medical intervention. You're trying to separate things out
that
can't be separated out.

The people they "have to pick up" are going to be paying. So, what's your
beef? I just don't understand the objection to getting everyone covered.

I believe everyone should have to buy insurance, I just doubt they
will. I am also the guy here who has been saying everyone's taxes are
too low. BP says that means I hate the middle class.
Yup all of you rich people should pay more ;-)

I think most people want to have health insurance if they can afford it. I
think there will be some small percentage who either don't think about it at
all or just don't care.

At the moment, I don't think the middle class should see a tax hike. It's
not a good time. Those over $250K won't really notice or care.


The real wild card for the working class will be how much that
mandatory insurance will cost if you don't qualify for government
assistance (2x the poverty rate). If you are 30 and never paid for
insurance befiore that could be a shocking number for you.
The question is, how many will blow off the requirement and hope they
don't get caught. Even if they do, the fine is a pittance.
The actuaries have to assess a price on that too.

According to the right wing crowd, you'd go to jail. More bs. Feel free to
continue to blame actuaries.

I suppose that begs the question, what is the penalty for not
following that law? (I suppose I could look it up)

There are a whole range of penalties for not following laws. For this,
here's a link I believe is accurate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/yo...2consumer.html

I don't blame actuaries, I just acknowledge what they do for a living.

Would you be happier if I just said the greedy insurance company nazis
are raising your rates

heh... remove "nazis" and yes.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:30:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:00:47 -0400, Larry
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Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private
industry
can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare
better
and
cheaper. Just seems odd.



That's an interesting point.

40% of their main transport vehicles have crashed killing everyone
aboard and nobody got sued. Let's see how Rutan does with his first
crash.


You're against private enterprise? Don't you think they've consider this
in
their business model?

I don't have a problem with private enterprise but don't expect them
to do anything that does not make economic sense to them.


So, then why the comment about Rutan? He (or anyone else) will do what
makes
business sense. I get no feeling he's backing away from spaceflight.

I only questioned, how do you think his first crash will go. It
usually costs an airline about a quarter to a half billion dollars in
a crash.
I imagine a big part of the ticket price will be insurance.


No idea. It might put them out of business. It might be anything between
that and a big payout. I wonder if insurance is even an option.

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