On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:00:47 -0400, Larry
wrote:

Bill McKee wrote:


Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private industry
can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better and
cheaper. Just seems odd.



That's an interesting point.

it's interesting the free market fundies come up with this example
BUT...

when it's pointed out socialized medicine is cheaper and more
efficient

they ignore it and bleat that it MUST be opposed because no one gets
rich from it

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:04:30 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


Said the unemployed unemployable looking for "free" healthcare on
someone elses dime.

let's see. in canada you have 'free' healthcare and everyone is
covered

in the states, our healthcare is 70% more expensive, and doesnt cover
everyone.

yet you think ours is better.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:42:07 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private industry
can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better and
cheaper. Just seems odd.

we have free market healthcare NOW.

it doesn't work. how much evidence do you need? it's kind of like
asking 'who's buried in grant's tomb'?




We still do not have a free market healtcare. Have not had one as long as I
am aware of healthcare. Has always been very highly government controlled.
Free market, insurance companies could sell across state lines, etc.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:24:26 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



Not really. The government views health care as a money machine.

ROFLMAO!! guess he doesn't know about health insurance companies.



Quite predictable from a out of control greedy government acually.

the moron doesn't realize the US already has ALOT of govt health
care...and it works pretty well.

it's called 'medicare'.

but no one ever said the right let facts stand in their way


Medicare is a financial disaster. Very expensive for what we really get.
Most everything is covered, via Medicare or the supplemental. Except for
the drug donut hole. No copay etc. Seniors go to the doctor and the
hospital for simple checkups for entertainment these days. Especially
prevalent in Florida from what I understand.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
Insanity is how you can spend less and get better services with a
presidential BS line like Obama has for you.

except, of course, the deficit is smaller this year than projected AND
obama's plans have been demonstrated to be at LEAST deficiit neutral
and may evenb REDUCE the deficit.



The deficit is less than projected. The projected amount was about $1.75
TRILLION. The deficit is lower. Still a record by a long ways. About
$1.35 TRILLION.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:50:53 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Which has little to do with the argument that tort reform is going to
save
the healthcare system.

Tort reform would save the whole economic system. The lawyers tax is a
drag on the whole economy, producing absolutely nothing.

if only it were that simple

in addition, lawsuits are sometimes the only recouse people have in
that absence of legislation. in the name of 'free market' economics,
the right has crippled protection for middle class people. sometimes
a lawsuit is the only choice they have

Yup. Like teenagers, most likely beer or some other alcoholic beverage, and
a boat backing over a guy who jumps in the water behind the boat as it backs
up. Million plus award. Plus the boat companies attorneys, the appeal
costs, the mostly unneeded changes to a product, sort of like the tests
ordered to cover malpractice. Cost the nation as whole, maybe 10-20x the
judgment costs. Company moves overseas. folds a subsidiary here if they
get sued for the product. How much did that bad sheetrock cost China?

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:06:09 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:42:07 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private industry
can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better and
cheaper. Just seems odd.

we have free market healthcare NOW.

it doesn't work. how much evidence do you need? it's kind of like
asking 'who's buried in grant's tomb'?




We still do not have a free market healtcare. Have not had one as long as I
am aware of healthcare. Has always been very highly government controlled.
Free market, insurance companies could sell across state lines, etc.

yeah. and there's never been 'true communism'. and there's never been
'true christianity'

face it. the free market failed in healthcare. it's a failure. state
controlled healthcare provides better care at lower cost. if your way
worked, the US healthcare market would be the best in the world

it's not. it's a failure. the market has failed. that's what the data
and the evidence shows.

it's time to move on.

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:17:39 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
Insanity is how you can spend less and get better services with a
presidential BS line like Obama has for you.

except, of course, the deficit is smaller this year than projected AND
obama's plans have been demonstrated to be at LEAST deficiit neutral
and may evenb REDUCE the deficit.



The deficit is less than projected. The projected amount was about $1.75
TRILLION. The deficit is lower. Still a record by a long ways. About
$1.35 TRILLION.


yeah. it's a tragedy what wall street has done to main street

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:09:27 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:24:26 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


but no one ever said the right let facts stand in their way


Medicare is a financial disaster. Very expensive for what we really get.

and our current free market healthcare?

the most expensive in the world.

does not cover everyone

does not cover pre existing conditions

healthcare premiums go through the roof

the free market has failed.

Most everything is covered, via Medicare or the supplemental. Except for
the drug donut hole. No copay etc. Seniors go to the doctor and the
hospital for simple checkups for entertainment these days. Especially
prevalent in Florida from what I understand.

and the free market system is on the verge of collapse

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:29:05 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:50:53 -0400, wrote:


in addition, lawsuits are sometimes the only recouse people have in
that absence of legislation. in the name of 'free market' economics,
the right has crippled protection for middle class people. sometimes
a lawsuit is the only choice they have

Yup. Like teenagers, most likely beer or some other alcoholic beverage, and
a boat backing over a guy who jumps in the water behind the boat as it backs
up. Million plus award. Plus the boat companies attorneys, the appeal
costs, the mostly unneeded changes to a product, sort of like the tests
ordered to cover malpractice. Cost the nation as whole, maybe 10-20x the
judgment costs. Company moves overseas. folds a subsidiary here if they
get sued for the product. How much did that bad sheetrock cost China?

would be interesting to see the data instead of the rush limbaugh
press releases on the actual costs

and costs would be LOWER if free market fundies would allow
responsible legislation, like mine safety rules, etc. instead of
opposing legislation and FORCING people to sue