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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:00:47 -0400, Larry
wrote:

Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private
industry
can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better
and
cheaper. Just seems odd.



That's an interesting point.

40% of their main transport vehicles have crashed killing everyone
aboard and nobody got sued. Let's see how Rutan does with his first
crash.


You're against private enterprise? Don't you think they've consider this in
their business model?

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:41:09 -0500, "Peter (Yes, that one)"
wrote:

You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.

I believe you are right.
As different parts of the health care bill go into effect, pricing will
change due to market forces and tax burden.
I see this in the shoe business all the time.
The marketplace at work.
It is as old as humanity.


I just think this bill is trying to shove a size 12 foot into a size 7
shoe. It was designed to fail and it will.


We'll see won't we. Perhaps you should lobby your representative to repeal
it.

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"hk" wrote in message
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On 4/18/10 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.


You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.




And what if it takes 10 years and 20 bills and it is still screwed up?
Why pass such a flawed bill?



What if it takes 10 years and finally is near universal coverage and costs
are lower? Oh wait, the sky is falling....

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:11:33 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:09:27 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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does not cover pre existing conditions

healthcare premiums go through the roof

the free market has failed.

Most everything is covered, via Medicare or the supplemental. Except
for
the drug donut hole. No copay etc. Seniors go to the doctor and the
hospital for simple checkups for entertainment these days. Especially
prevalent in Florida from what I understand.

and the free market system is on the verge of collapse



Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if the
person
did not have insurance previously?

not very bright here, are you? kinda stupid actually.

what happens when you lose your job and have to get another one? or
you have to self insure?

christ, even for a right wing pimp you're stupid. honest to christ.



If you have insurance when you lose your job, you can continue insurance.
You are stupid. Cobra if the company is still in buiness. HIPPA if your
Cobra runs out. And as I said before. If someone has insurance, then the
next company should be required to grant coverage. If no insurance, then
you are **** out of luck! I guess you think you should be able to buy
fire insurance the day after your house burns, and be covered.



If you don't, you're screwed. If you use COBRA, it's wildly expensive. SOL
is your idea of a civil society. got it.




Right-wingers like McKee have no grounding in reality. COBRA is so
expensive, an unemployed person probably cannot afford it. Oh, it is
HIPAA, not HIPPA, and apparently McKee doesn't have any knowledge of how
that works, either.



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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:41:04 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If lawyers were trolling the streets in 1776 advertising for victims
they would have been run out of town on a rail. In those days lawyers
defended people from the government, they didn't take on the powers of
the government to punish people, beyond the limits of what is
constitutional.


If polar bears showed up in Miami, they would be captured and removed. So,
your first sentence means nothing.

Secondly, lawyers did much the same work they do now. They did
significantly
more then "defend people from the gov't." As to the rest of the sentence,
that also makes no sense. Lawyers work within the laws that have been
established, and sometimes, depending on the case, they cause the court to
action that changes law. This is basic stuff.

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If lawyers are doing the job of the government, why not make the
government do it's job and try incompetent doctors in criminal court?

Reason ... there is a higher standard of proof. Civil court is an
emotional exercise with little protection for the defendant.


Incompetent docs do go to trial from time to time... e.g., Michael Jackson's
doc for a recent example.

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On 17/04/2010 5:22 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Which has little to do with the argument that tort reform is going
to save
the healthcare system.

Tort reform would save the whole economic system. The lawyers tax is
a
drag on the whole economy, producing absolutely nothing.



?? Come on. More nonsense. Most lawyers are honest and hardworking.
Lawyers
founded this country. We have nothing to be ashamed of.

The only explaination I have is lawyers back then were more honest and
under a lot more scruteny on the issue of governance. Probably because
many of their peers were NOT lawyers and they had to get acceptance
from the people.

"We the people..." founded the USA. Otherwise the residents would have
hung the idiots as traitors to the crown, and they were traitors to the
British. But victors write the history books.

BTW, I think they did a good job. Just an observation that they were
British subjects before they were Americans.

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Time to ask ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the
government?

To be a lawyer in those days, you did not have to indoctrinated by a law
school. Just read the books and take the bar exam.

Only partially correct. You had to apprentice with an established lawyer,
much as John Adams did. As usual, you know little about what you write.

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I read no where of Lincoln apprenticing with an established lawyer. I
think he was already a state senator when he took the bar.



So, you believe that Lincoln was one of the founders.... also, you're
unfamiliar with the concept of frontier country lawyers, which were quite
different than those on the East Coast.

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:44:55 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

You're wrong. "We the people" was written (primarily) by Jefferson, a
lawyer. The people didn't write anything.

The preamble of the constitution is usually attributed to Gouverneur
Morris. Certainly not Thomas Jefferson in any case. He was in France
at the time.

Were you thinking that was the Declaration of Independence?
That is "When in the course of human events ...yada yada"


You got me... for some reason I always confuse the two... BTW, he was a
lawyer also.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:12:31 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:17:39 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



yeah. it's a tragedy what wall street has done to main street


And it is a bigger tragedy what Pennsylvania Ave is doing to the future
generations.


you mean restoring jobs?

preventing 25% unemployment?

yeah, given your hatred of the middle class, i'm sure you're weeping
that the rich aren't allowed to eat the children of the poor


25%, 35% unemployment will probably have been better than stealing from
future generations to prevent the pain now. Instead of putting the
babies out in the cold on rocks, they should be putting the current
generations out to die. We have priced this country out of the world
market for most things. We now pay our people 10x what an Asian country
will pay. Used to be about 3x. So how the hell are we to do
manufacturing competitively in this country? We can not survive as a
"Service Provider" country. We are even outsourcing the call service
centers to Inida and Pakistan. Can not even be a competitive Service
Provider"!

More bs. You have no concept of what that would be like. Bread lines?
People starving to death? No medical help?

You're a moron.

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Going to happen with even more dire results if the government does not reign
in their over spending.

"hk" wrote in message
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On 4/19/10 4:03 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:11:33 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:09:27 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


does not cover pre existing conditions

healthcare premiums go through the roof

the free market has failed.

Most everything is covered, via Medicare or the supplemental.
Except
for
the drug donut hole. No copay etc. Seniors go to the doctor and
the
hospital for simple checkups for entertainment these days.
Especially
prevalent in Florida from what I understand.

and the free market system is on the verge of collapse



Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if the
person
did not have insurance previously?

not very bright here, are you? kinda stupid actually.

what happens when you lose your job and have to get another one? or
you have to self insure?

christ, even for a right wing pimp you're stupid. honest to christ.



If you have insurance when you lose your job, you can continue
insurance.
You are stupid. Cobra if the company is still in buiness. HIPPA if
your
Cobra runs out. And as I said before. If someone has insurance, then
the
next company should be required to grant coverage. If no insurance,
then
you are **** out of luck! I guess you think you should be able to buy
fire insurance the day after your house burns, and be covered.



If you don't, you're screwed. If you use COBRA, it's wildly expensive.
SOL
is your idea of a civil society. got it.




Right-wingers like McKee have no grounding in reality. COBRA is so
expensive, an unemployed person probably cannot afford it. Oh, it is
HIPAA, not HIPPA, and apparently McKee doesn't have any knowledge of how
that works, either.




Actually I have been on both. And you bring up the expensive COBRA. Also
points out how expensive insurance is for a company. COBRA cost can only be
10% more than the company pays for insurance. My wife went on some medicine
just before a company went out of business. So I had to get HIPAA as she
was "uninsurable". Reason I started another company was so I could get a
group plan for affordable health insurance. And you can get Blue Cross with
group with 2 people.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 17/04/2010 5:22 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Which has little to do with the argument that tort reform is going
to save
the healthcare system.

Tort reform would save the whole economic system. The lawyers tax is
a
drag on the whole economy, producing absolutely nothing.



?? Come on. More nonsense. Most lawyers are honest and hardworking.
Lawyers
founded this country. We have nothing to be ashamed of.

The only explaination I have is lawyers back then were more honest and
under a lot more scruteny on the issue of governance. Probably
because many of their peers were NOT lawyers and they had to get
acceptance from the people.

"We the people..." founded the USA. Otherwise the residents would
have hung the idiots as traitors to the crown, and they were traitors
to the British. But victors write the history books.

BTW, I think they did a good job. Just an observation that they were
British subjects before they were Americans.

--
Time to ask ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the
government?

To be a lawyer in those days, you did not have to indoctrinated by a
law school. Just read the books and take the bar exam.

Only partially correct. You had to apprentice with an established
lawyer, much as John Adams did. As usual, you know little about what you
write.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I read no where of Lincoln apprenticing with an established lawyer. I
think he was already a state senator when he took the bar.



So, you believe that Lincoln was one of the founders.... also, you're
unfamiliar with the concept of frontier country lawyers, which were quite
different than those on the East Coast.

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Logic escapes you again. We were discussing the requirements to be an
attorney in the old days. The East was a frontier also. One of my
relatives was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Abraham Clark.
NJ lawyer, self taught, surveyor, and attorney. Did not ever read of him
apprenticing as an attorney either.