"BAR" wrote in message
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Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private
industry
can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better
and
cheaper. Just seems odd.
All NASA does these days is administer contracts. The current shuttle
design

Most of the government just administers contracts. Government
contracting is a big industry in the Washington DC area. You can't walk
through Arlington, Crystal City, Tysons Corner, Reston or Herndon
without tripping over an 8A firm or other firm that is surviving on
Government contracts.

Halliburton, KBR, Northrup Grumman, etc, etc, etc, . Those 8As are in good?
company.

On 4/18/10 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.


You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.



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The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

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On 4/18/10 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.


You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.

I believe you are right.
As different parts of the health care bill go into effect, pricing will
change due to market forces and tax burden.
I see this in the shoe business all the time.
The marketplace at work.
It is as old as humanity.

Peter

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.

You forgot about no changes to tort reform. Obama wouldn't want to harm
his brothers and sisters in the Trial Lawyers Assn.

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

obama care will reduce costs,


Like this?
http://www.news-press.com/article/20...et-big-pay-day

Reads like incentive pay.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:54:08 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs.

sure he did. he reduced medicare costs, brought the uninsured into the
system, reducing their tendency to use emergency rooms as family
physicians, etc

and objective economists have shown that his program reduces the
deficit, or is deficit neutral, over the next decade

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:50:31 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.

You forgot about no changes to tort reform. Obama wouldn't want to harm
his brothers and sisters in the Trial Lawyers Assn.

Torts are a minor cost in healthcare. the right thinks of this as a
boogeyman, but it shows how morally bankrupt the right wing is

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:57:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

obama care will reduce costs,


Like this?
http://www.news-press.com/article/20...et-big-pay-day

see chart 1 he

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...43&emailView=1

On 4/18/10 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:04:35 -0400,
wrote:

On 4/18/10 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.


You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.

To the contrary,
I doubt it was much more than a symbolic victory for the Democrats.
If anything it is part of a long term plan to destroy the insurance
industry and substitute that public plan the democrats want. The only
problem with that idea is we would then have to bail out insurance
company workers. Nobody really wants to cut into 17% of the economy,
no matter how hard they rail against it.

I am entirely in favor of destroying the health insurance industry, and
replacing it with a system whose primary consideration is the best
outcome for patients.


--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:41:09 -0500, "Peter (Yes, that one)"
wrote:

You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.

I believe you are right.
As different parts of the health care bill go into effect, pricing will
change due to market forces and tax burden.
I see this in the shoe business all the time.
The marketplace at work.
It is as old as humanity.


I just think this bill is trying to shove a size 12 foot into a size 7
shoe. It was designed to fail and it will.

We'll see. Much will depend on design and marketing.
Air Jordans have become more affordable over the years, while
maintaining quality.
I love that shoe.
OTOH, you couldn't give the original Earth Shoes away.
We quit offering them long ago.
No matter what the claimed orthopedic advantage (still disputed)
customers were immediately turned off by their appearance.
Who wants to walk uphill all the time?

Peter