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If lawyers are doing the job of the government, why not make the
government do it's job and try incompetent doctors in criminal court?

Reason ... there is a higher standard of proof. Civil court is an
emotional exercise with little protection for the defendant.


Incompetent docs do go to trial from time to time... e.g., Michael
Jackson's
doc for a recent example.

Yup that's one in a row.
How many malpractice torts have been filed in LA County since
February?


No idea. Feel free to report back. You claimed that incompetent docs are
not
going to criminal court. I cited a recent example.

No, said they should all be tried in criminal court. You answered
with a very high profile anomaly.


How does one get to criminal court unless there's a strong supposition that
the doctor is incompetent? That's up to the local DA. If you're dissatisfied
with how the DA does his/her job, they can be removed at election time. You
asked how many torts get filed. Feel free to look it up. I imagine those
that are obviously due to negligence, especially repeated negligence do get
prosecuted. There are no facts so far that support the notion it was an
anomaly or a typical outcome.

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does not cover pre existing conditions

healthcare premiums go through the roof

the free market has failed.

Most everything is covered, via Medicare or the supplemental.
Except
for
the drug donut hole. No copay etc. Seniors go to the doctor and
the
hospital for simple checkups for entertainment these days.
Especially
prevalent in Florida from what I understand.

and the free market system is on the verge of collapse



Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if
the
person
did not have insurance previously?

not very bright here, are you? kinda stupid actually.

what happens when you lose your job and have to get another one? or
you have to self insure?

christ, even for a right wing pimp you're stupid. honest to christ.



If you have insurance when you lose your job, you can continue
insurance.
You are stupid. Cobra if the company is still in buiness. HIPPA if
your
Cobra runs out. And as I said before. If someone has insurance, then
the
next company should be required to grant coverage. If no insurance,
then
you are **** out of luck! I guess you think you should be able to buy
fire insurance the day after your house burns, and be covered.



If you don't, you're screwed. If you use COBRA, it's wildly expensive.
SOL
is your idea of a civil society. got it.




Right-wingers like McKee have no grounding in reality. COBRA is so
expensive, an unemployed person probably cannot afford it. Oh, it is
HIPAA, not HIPPA, and apparently McKee doesn't have any knowledge of how
that works, either.




Actually I have been on both. And you bring up the expensive COBRA.
Also points out how expensive insurance is for a company. COBRA cost can
only be 10% more than the company pays for insurance. My wife went on
some medicine just before a company went out of business. So I had to
get HIPAA as she was "uninsurable". Reason I started another company was
so I could get a group plan for affordable health insurance. And you can
get Blue Cross with group with 2 people.



Thus we shouldn't regulate insurance companies...

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Huh?

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Actually I have been on both. And you bring up the expensive COBRA. Also
points out how expensive insurance is for a company.

TA DA!!! even a right wing ASSHOLE finally gets it!

YES, US HEALTHCARE IS EXPENSIVE!!!

it's the most expensive in the WORLD. but the right wing thinks that's
GREAT!!


Why do you think it is the most expensive in the world? You pay an extra
$2-3 a gallon for gas in Europe to pay for that "free" healthcare. That
gets damn expensive. Several European countries are almost bankrupt
because of medical costs. What is the medical cost per person in the USA vs
the next 5 most expensive countries in the world?

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Which has little to do with the argument that tort reform is
going to save
the healthcare system.

Tort reform would save the whole economic system. The lawyers tax
is a
drag on the whole economy, producing absolutely nothing.



?? Come on. More nonsense. Most lawyers are honest and hardworking.
Lawyers
founded this country. We have nothing to be ashamed of.

The only explaination I have is lawyers back then were more honest
and under a lot more scruteny on the issue of governance. Probably
because many of their peers were NOT lawyers and they had to get
acceptance from the people.

"We the people..." founded the USA. Otherwise the residents would
have hung the idiots as traitors to the crown, and they were
traitors to the British. But victors write the history books.

BTW, I think they did a good job. Just an observation that they
were British subjects before they were Americans.

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Time to ask ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the
government?

To be a lawyer in those days, you did not have to indoctrinated by a
law school. Just read the books and take the bar exam.

Only partially correct. You had to apprentice with an established
lawyer, much as John Adams did. As usual, you know little about what
you write.

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I read no where of Lincoln apprenticing with an established lawyer. I
think he was already a state senator when he took the bar.



So, you believe that Lincoln was one of the founders.... also, you're
unfamiliar with the concept of frontier country lawyers, which were
quite different than those on the East Coast.

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Logic escapes you again. We were discussing the requirements to be an
attorney in the old days. The East was a frontier also. One of my
relatives was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Abraham
Clark. NJ lawyer, self taught, surveyor, and attorney. Did not ever read
of him apprenticing as an attorney either.



Sure. We believe you. NOT

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Believe or not. I do not give a **** what you believe.

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to date theyv'e paid out 2 billion in insurance claims.

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How many atheists have schools and hospitals?

actually, all of them. we support them with our taxes. we just dont
rape the chlidren we care for

Same reason mean teach grammar school? Are you a closet pedophile?

why? is your wife unsatisfied?



Go stick your head in a toilet and flush. You are both sick and stupid.

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Why should an insurance company cover a pre-existing condition if the
person
did not have insurance previously?

not very bright here, are you? kinda stupid actually.

what happens when you lose your job and have to get another one? or
you have to self insure?

christ, even for a right wing pimp you're stupid. honest to christ.



If you have insurance when you lose your job, you can continue insurance.

ROFLMAO!! hey moron

ever been unemployed? ever priced COBRA? ever looked at how much you
get in unemployment benefits?

****. you know zip about anything at all

You are stupid. Cobra if the company is still in buiness. HIPPA if your
Cobra runs out. And as I said before. If someone has insurance, then the
next company should be required to grant coverage. If no insurance, then
you are **** out of luck! I guess you think you should be able to buy
fire
insurance the day after your house burns, and be covered.

except, until obama came along. insurance companies could tell you to
go **** yourself

and to the right wing, that's the voice of god.



I was unemployed 7 times. Happy now. I went with 6 startups. So I got to
see unemployment a couple times. A couple times I was unemployed too short
of a time to collect unemployment insurance. And Cobra can only cost 10%
more than the company pays the insurance company. Frigging idiot. I also
banked a bunch of my income for the lean times. Sure, I got paid very well
for a middle class worker, but having an engineering degree and lots of
talent helps. What kind of a cars does you and the wife drive? How big a
boat and how much for the slip? Maybe you should consider learning
economics.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:52:46 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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According to the right wing crowd, you'd go to jail. More bs. Feel free
to
continue to blame actuaries.

I suppose that begs the question, what is the penalty for not
following that law? (I suppose I could look it up)

There are a whole range of penalties for not following laws. For this,
here's a link I believe is accurate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/yo...2consumer.html

Short answer
"Although most Americans who do not obtain health insurance would face
a federal penalty starting in 2014, many experts question how strict
the enforcement of that penalty would actually be.

The first year, consumers who did not have insurance would owe $95, or
1 percent of income, whichever is greater. But the penalty would
subsequently rise, reaching $695, or 2 percent of income. "

... or basically nothing will happen to them if they don't buy
insurance. Who will be the insurance cop?.

Don't know... who's the car insurance cop? You get stopped and you don't
have insurance, you get to talk to the DMV.

I don't blame actuaries, I just acknowledge what they do for a living.

Would you be happier if I just said the greedy insurance company nazis
are raising your rates

heh... remove "nazis" and yes.

What, you think that might insult nazis? ;-)

... and it is actuaries who tell the greedy insurance companies how
much they need to raise the rates to stay in business. My only point.


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I only questioned, how do you think his first crash will go. It
usually costs an airline about a quarter to a half billion dollars in
a crash.
I imagine a big part of the ticket price will be insurance.


No idea. It might put them out of business. It might be anything between
that and a big payout. I wonder if insurance is even an option.


That is why it might be in the national interest to give them
sovereign immunity.
If that is our only way into space and they get sued out of business
we might be back buying a ride from the Russians.
I assume, for that reason, we will still have a military space
program. It will only be science that gets privatized.
They could go for a "man rating" on the Atlas rocket and be flying
pretty quick. Just dust off some of those 30 year old capsules and
shoot.


I would go... in a heartbeat.

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Which has little to do with the argument that tort reform is
going to save
the healthcare system.

Tort reform would save the whole economic system. The lawyers tax
is a
drag on the whole economy, producing absolutely nothing.



?? Come on. More nonsense. Most lawyers are honest and
hardworking. Lawyers
founded this country. We have nothing to be ashamed of.

The only explaination I have is lawyers back then were more honest
and under a lot more scruteny on the issue of governance. Probably
because many of their peers were NOT lawyers and they had to get
acceptance from the people.

"We the people..." founded the USA. Otherwise the residents would
have hung the idiots as traitors to the crown, and they were
traitors to the British. But victors write the history books.

BTW, I think they did a good job. Just an observation that they
were British subjects before they were Americans.

--
Time to ask ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the
government?

To be a lawyer in those days, you did not have to indoctrinated by a
law school. Just read the books and take the bar exam.

Only partially correct. You had to apprentice with an established
lawyer, much as John Adams did. As usual, you know little about what
you write.

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Nom=de=Plume


I read no where of Lincoln apprenticing with an established lawyer. I
think he was already a state senator when he took the bar.



So, you believe that Lincoln was one of the founders.... also, you're
unfamiliar with the concept of frontier country lawyers, which were
quite different than those on the East Coast.

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Nom=de=Plume


Logic escapes you again. We were discussing the requirements to be an
attorney in the old days. The East was a frontier also. One of my
relatives was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Abraham
Clark. NJ lawyer, self taught, surveyor, and attorney. Did not ever
read of him apprenticing as an attorney either.



Sure. We believe you. NOT

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Believe or not. I do not give a **** what you believe.



Yet you can't help but say something. Weren't you going to ignore me??

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On Apr 17, 9:04*pm, "mmc" wrote:
Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private industry
can do it better and cheaper. *But government can do healthcare better and
cheaper. *Just seems odd.

All NASA does these days is administer contracts. The current shuttle design
has been in service for damn near 30 years with a planned lifespan something
like 20 years and a goal of a low cost delivery system to near earth orbit.