Bruce,
I believe the U.S. Customs can also board without probable cause. I
understand that if you have a trailer boat they can follow you home and then
search the home. Customs has a lot of power.
Paul

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Gogarty wrote:

You are in a boat you are fair game for LEA, anytime, anyplace.

Actually, the above is not quite correct. You are only "Fair Game"
for the USCG, and not from just any LEA. You may refuse any local,
State, or Federal LEO, to board your vessel without a Warrent. The only
exception, besides USCG, would be a US Marshal. When ever I needed
to board a vessel without the skippers permission (FCC Field Agent)
I had to go get a USCG Officer/NonCom, or the local US Marshal, and use
their authority to conduct my investigation. Only happened a few times
while I was a Fed.

Bruce in alaska
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In article ,
"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:

Bruce,
I believe the U.S. Customs can also board without probable cause. I
understand that if you have a trailer boat they can follow you home and then
search the home. Customs has a lot of power.
Paul

Not sure about Customs, if you didn't leave US Waters. I suspect that
if you "cleared customs" that they then would need a Warrent for any
further inspection. If you didn't leave US Waters then they would
need "Cause" to board you, I think.

Bruce in alaska
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I have been told that U.S. Customs agents and the U.S. Coast Guard can board
any American flagged vessel or any vessel in U.S. waters without probable
cause. The (Massachusetts) state police (and even some harbormasters) claim
they too can board any vessel without probable cause because they are
"deputized" by U.S. Customs.

"Listen to the live broadcast of 'Nautical Talk Radio' with Captain Lou every
Sunday afternoon from 4 - 5 (Eastern Standard Time) on the web at
www.959watd.com or if you are in Boston or Cape Cod set your radio dial to
95.9FM.

In article ,
(Capt Lou) wrote:

The (Massachusetts) state police (and even some harbormasters) claim
they too can board any vessel without probable cause because they are
"deputized" by U.S. Customs.

All kinds of LEO's CLAIM that they can do this and that, but the LAW
is very clear on these points. US Flagged Vessels can only be boarded
against the skippers wishes by USCG and US Marshals. The point can
be debated, at the point of a gun, but in Court, after you spent your
jailtime waiting for trial, the LAW will prevail. Most LEO's understand
this, and get a USCG Officer/Noncom to accompany any boarding, or get
one of the local US Marshals to go along. When I was a FED, (FCC)
this was SOP for us when we were refused boarding. I remeber an incident
down in Grays Harbor, WA, where one of my fellow Agents wanted to inspect
a local charterboat, and the skipper refused to allow him to board. He
went down to the local USCG Lifeboat Detachment, and got the CPO, to
mount a Boarding Party with M60's and Tompson's and returned to the
charterboat, boarded and found 50Kg of dope stuffed under a bunk.
Our guy busted him for an expired SOLAS Certificate, but the USCG
took the boat and the guy got 20 Years in the Federal Slam for Drug
Running.

Bruce in alaska who recognizes that LEO's LIE all the time about
what they can do.........
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Great, so the price of drugs goes up another notch, which means more crimes
committed to pay for it. Just great!

Plus WE have to pay to keep the poor Capt. in jail. Wonderful.....

SV


"Bruce in Alaska" wrote
mount a Boarding Party with M60's and Tompson's and returned to the
charterboat, boarded and found 50Kg of dope stuffed under a bunk.
Our guy busted him for an expired SOLAS Certificate, but the USCG
took the boat and the guy got 20 Years in the Federal Slam for Drug
Running.

Scott,
Well it does work as well as probation did. The apprehension and storing
for drug related offences is a billion dollar business. I have to wonder how
many cops, judges, lawyers and prison guards would get laid off if drugs
were decriminalized? Just think of the tax revenue is drugs were legally
sold at a reasonable price.
Paul

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Great, so the price of drugs goes up another notch, which means more
crimes
committed to pay for it. Just great!

Plus WE have to pay to keep the poor Capt. in jail. Wonderful.....

SV


"Bruce in Alaska" wrote
mount a Boarding Party with M60's and Tompson's and returned to the
charterboat, boarded and found 50Kg of dope stuffed under a bunk.
Our guy busted him for an expired SOLAS Certificate, but the USCG
took the boat and the guy got 20 Years in the Federal Slam for Drug
Running.

Scott,
Well it does work as well as probation did. The apprehension and storing
for drug related offences is a billion dollar business. I have to wonder how
many cops, judges, lawyers and prison guards would get laid off if drugs
were decriminalized? Just think of the tax revenue is drugs were legally
sold at a reasonable price.
Paul

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Great, so the price of drugs goes up another notch, which means more
crimes
committed to pay for it. Just great!

Plus WE have to pay to keep the poor Capt. in jail. Wonderful.....

SV


"Bruce in Alaska" wrote
mount a Boarding Party with M60's and Tompson's and returned to the
charterboat, boarded and found 50Kg of dope stuffed under a bunk.
Our guy busted him for an expired SOLAS Certificate, but the USCG
took the boat and the guy got 20 Years in the Federal Slam for Drug
Running.

Great, so the price of drugs goes up another notch, which means more crimes
committed to pay for it. Just great!

Plus WE have to pay to keep the poor Capt. in jail. Wonderful.....

SV


"Bruce in Alaska" wrote
mount a Boarding Party with M60's and Tompson's and returned to the
charterboat, boarded and found 50Kg of dope stuffed under a bunk.
Our guy busted him for an expired SOLAS Certificate, but the USCG
took the boat and the guy got 20 Years in the Federal Slam for Drug
Running.

In article ,
(Capt Lou) wrote:

The (Massachusetts) state police (and even some harbormasters) claim
they too can board any vessel without probable cause because they are
"deputized" by U.S. Customs.

All kinds of LEO's CLAIM that they can do this and that, but the LAW
is very clear on these points. US Flagged Vessels can only be boarded
against the skippers wishes by USCG and US Marshals. The point can
be debated, at the point of a gun, but in Court, after you spent your
jailtime waiting for trial, the LAW will prevail. Most LEO's understand
this, and get a USCG Officer/Noncom to accompany any boarding, or get
one of the local US Marshals to go along. When I was a FED, (FCC)
this was SOP for us when we were refused boarding. I remeber an incident
down in Grays Harbor, WA, where one of my fellow Agents wanted to inspect
a local charterboat, and the skipper refused to allow him to board. He
went down to the local USCG Lifeboat Detachment, and got the CPO, to
mount a Boarding Party with M60's and Tompson's and returned to the
charterboat, boarded and found 50Kg of dope stuffed under a bunk.
Our guy busted him for an expired SOLAS Certificate, but the USCG
took the boat and the guy got 20 Years in the Federal Slam for Drug
Running.

Bruce in alaska who recognizes that LEO's LIE all the time about
what they can do.........
--
add a 2 before @

I have been told that U.S. Customs agents and the U.S. Coast Guard can board
any American flagged vessel or any vessel in U.S. waters without probable
cause. The (Massachusetts) state police (and even some harbormasters) claim
they too can board any vessel without probable cause because they are
"deputized" by U.S. Customs.

"Listen to the live broadcast of 'Nautical Talk Radio' with Captain Lou every
Sunday afternoon from 4 - 5 (Eastern Standard Time) on the web at
www.959watd.com or if you are in Boston or Cape Cod set your radio dial to
95.9FM.