But you never looked at a chart then, or after the fact to see where
you were.

we had up to date charts. the merchant marine with decades of experience, a
professional mariner who also had decades of offshore racing experience, didn't
wish to risk his boat by accepting as gospel that the charts were totally
accurate. I think that was prudent judgement on his part, and if I were the
boat owner instead of him I would have done the same thing. The lights were
where the obstructions were. The lights may or maybe not be accurately placed
on the charts.

it is easy to understand, jeggies. I don't know why you are having a problem
with it.

Jaxie, the light at Diamond Shoal is 7 miles from a hazard. Seven Friggin
Miles! And its a "18 mile" light. And you had 3 GPS's. And you can safely
navigate the area with a depth sounder alone. If you were within "20 seconds of
turning back" you were LOST!

I've been within a few minutes of turning back, but it was in thick fog without
instruments, close to serious hazards. It would NOT be 20 miles offshore, with
3 GPS's! The only way there could have been any doubt at all is if there was no
one on board who could be trusted to use a GPS or to read a chart. Given the
talent you've displayed here, that's not too far fetched.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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But you never looked at a chart then, or after the fact to see where
you were.

we had up to date charts. the merchant marine with decades of experience, a
professional mariner who also had decades of offshore racing experience,
didn't
wish to risk his boat by accepting as gospel that the charts were totally
accurate. I think that was prudent judgement on his part, and if I were the
boat owner instead of him I would have done the same thing. The lights were
where the obstructions were. The lights may or maybe not be accurately placed
on the charts.

it is easy to understand, jeggies. I don't know why you are having a problem
with it.

If you were within "20 seconds of
turning back" you were LOST!

30 seconds for me, before I spotted the light. the ower saw the light about 10
seconds after I did.

If I were lost, so was the owner of the boat, a merchant marine of decades
experience and decades of offshore racing experience as well. Good company it
seems.

You keep saying this over, and over, but the truth is, you were lost. Its
pretty clear that your captain had no faith in his own ability, or yours. The
only other explanation is that you had absolutely no idea what was going on.
Actually, I'd say both were true.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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If I were lost, so was the owner of the boat, a merchant marine of decades
experience and decades of offshore racing experience as well. Good company it
seems.

yup, me AND the career merchant marine, both lost. Or more accurately, neither
he nor I completely trusted the charts to be completely accurate. That's the
same as being lost, I guess.

You keep saying this over, and over, but the truth is, you were lost. Its
pretty clear that your captain had no faith in his own ability, or yours.
The
only other explanation is that you had absolutely no idea what was going on.
Actually, I'd say both were true.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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If I were lost, so was the owner of the boat, a merchant marine of decades
experience and decades of offshore racing experience as well. Good company
it
seems.

You drifted for 6 hours???

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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yup, me AND the career merchant marine, both lost. Or more accurately,
neither
he nor I completely trusted the charts to be completely accurate. That's the
same as being lost, I guess.

You keep saying this over, and over, but the truth is, you were lost. Its
pretty clear that your captain had no faith in his own ability, or yours.
The
only other explanation is that you had absolutely no idea what was going on.
Actually, I'd say both were true.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

If I were lost, so was the owner of the boat, a merchant marine of decades
experience and decades of offshore racing experience as well. Good company
it
seems.

Subject: Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
From: (JAXAshby)

Jax, you were nothing but signed on baggage/muscle. If this guy was REALLY a
"career merchant marine" with some type of deck license, YOU would be the LAST
person he would confer with about his position.
Your, or I should say his, problem had nothing to do with the accuracy of the
charts (especially considering the number of GPS's, onboard) .... it had
EVERYTHING to do with NOT knowing where you were and where you were going.
Obviously, you've never learned ..... on boats or ships, people like you (no
knowledge, no experience, no ability) are meant to be used ..... not heard
(exceptions noted .... you don't qualify).

Shen

yup, me AND the career merchant marine, both lost. Or more accurately,
neither
he nor I completely trusted the charts to be completely accurate. That's the
same as being lost, I guess.

s

C'mon folks, let's not let Jax turn this into wrecked.botes. I blocked him
long ago, so I never even see his posts unless someone responds. Let's not
destroy this NG too.

--


Keith
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'I had to hit him -- he was starting to make sense.'
"Shen44" wrote in message
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Subject: Best 34 foot blue water cruiser

jeggies? don't you get embarrassed?