Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

"Tuuk" wrote in message
...
Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a proper
learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,, tough to
find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to compete for
a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like Harry did. 17% of
Americans are forced to unionize, not much market value.















"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
Tamaroak wrote:
My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and
home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
satellite Internet connection.

Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?

Capt. Jeff

Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all your
lives.

In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with
their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current
boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.

The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure & you'll
find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored at home
friends.

Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) &
room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young
need to experience.

Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to be
HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down
side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the
whole family's education will improve:-)

I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about
in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days
it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being
with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other side,
it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through, those that
do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those that don't
have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the end.

Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible
adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting
adventu-)


K

Paul Schilter wrote:
Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul


Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find
the best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize
was really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit
embarrassing when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl.
(her & her mum were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you)

The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't
educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind
the west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not
have had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another.

Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out
poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on left
leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated kids
till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover. Some of
the really stupid ones never do recover & they become union employees or
used car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives but
some grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even realise it.

My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do,
well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been
estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's
genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??)
then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys
than the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions.

K

"Tuuk" wrote in message
...

Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a proper
learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,, tough to
find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to compete for
a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like Harry did. 17% of
Americans are forced to unionize, not much market value.















"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

Tamaroak wrote:

My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and
home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
satellite Internet connection.

Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?

Capt. Jeff

Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all your
lives.

In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with
their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current
boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.

The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure & you'll
find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored at home
friends.

Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) &
room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young
need to experience.

Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to be
HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down
side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the
whole family's education will improve:-)

I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about
in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days
it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being
with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other side,
it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through, those that
do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those that don't
have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the end.

Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible
adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting
adventu-)


K

Interesting,,, lets parse it,,,




Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find the
best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize was
really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit embarrassing
when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl. (her & her mum
were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you)


Yes, I will agree with you there, for certain there will be better more
qualified and successful educators done one on one at home, with say the
parent who cares. At the local public schools there is a problem. I see
western students at university who cannot read. Even private universities do
not motivate enough or produce a product that can compete in the real world.




The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't
educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind the
west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not have
had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another.



No, not at all, I am talking the east such as the Asian countries, the ones
that are economically exploding. Of couse there are poor countries
everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or muslims teach the wrong
things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focus so much on the
koran, teaching to hate non muslims, hating non islam and they do not spend
enough time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20 years old and
ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see others so wealthy then
the jealousy, rage, anger, and they rebel against the apex.

The countries where I have attended universities in the west and east,, I
know that the east uncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big
difference is the costs and greed. Tuitions especially but one thing that
shocked me was text books. For example, in a university in Thailand, an
economics book, same edition, same publisher as the west, simply different
language goes for about 3.00 U.S. and here about 145.00 U.S. Same book. The
learning environment is much different also. Classroom sizes are small
(student) and the teachers actually give a dam, I mean no cell phones, no
walking in or out late, all uniforms, always homework done. Here it is a
joke, and here you will graduate with honors relatively easy, there you earn
it.






Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out
poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on left
leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated kids
till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover. Some of the
really stupid ones never do recover & they become union employees or used
car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives but some
grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even realise it.


I couldn't agree with you more there,,,





My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do,
well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been
estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's
genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??)
then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys than
the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions.



I couldn't agree with you more there either,,, and I didn't know that about
Harry,, I might have guessed that and definatly not surprised and that
proves my point to him undisputably. Black and white.

But to better answer the caller's question, yes with proper resources,
motivation and training a student could learn more in that environment. What
they might miss would be the public speaking opportunities, team work,
friendships, but at their age, they could easily go one on one with the
computer and yes learn more than at a public school.






K

"Tuuk" wrote in message
...

Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a
proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,,
tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to
compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like
Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market
value.















"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

Tamaroak wrote:

My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15
and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
satellite Internet connection.

Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?

Capt. Jeff

Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all
your lives.

In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with
their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current
boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.

The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure &
you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored
at home friends.

Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) &
room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young
need to experience.

Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to
be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down
side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the
whole family's education will improve:-)

I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about
in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days
it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them.
Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other
side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through,
those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those
that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the
end.

Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible
adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting
adventu-)


K

Tuuk wrote:
Interesting,,, lets parse it,,,




Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find the
best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize was
really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit embarrassing
when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl. (her & her mum
were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you)



Yes, I will agree with you there, for certain there will be better more
qualified and successful educators done one on one at home, with say the
parent who cares. At the local public schools there is a problem. I see
western students at university who cannot read. Even private universities do
not motivate enough or produce a product that can compete in the real world.


Yes we have the same thing here, the Fed govt is trying to make funding
dependent upon schools at least meeting minimum benchmarks ( & they are
sad minimums:-)) but the teachers unions backed by lefty state
administrations are fighting it tooth & nail.



The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't
educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind the
west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not have
had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another.




No, not at all, I am talking the east such as the Asian countries, the ones
that are economically exploding. Of couse there are poor countries
everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or muslims teach the wrong
things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focus so much on the
koran, teaching to hate non muslims, hating non islam and they do not spend
enough time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20 years old and
ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see others so wealthy then
the jealousy, rage, anger, and they rebel against the apex.

I know I'll get into trouble for saying this but here & I suspect there
it's not much better:-) The unionised teachers take peoples' kids & fill
them full of lefty political stuff at the expense of real teaching. Yes
accepted they need more than an academic education, but that's not for
loony left teachers unions to decide, it's the unwritten, unannounced
political brainwashing curriculum the teachers run that produces
otherwise bright kids at university who can't bloody read nor do basic
maths.


The countries where I have attended universities in the west and east,, I
know that the east uncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big
difference is the costs and greed. Tuitions especially but one thing that
shocked me was text books. For example, in a university in Thailand, an
economics book, same edition, same publisher as the west, simply different
language goes for about 3.00 U.S. and here about 145.00 U.S. Same book. The
learning environment is much different also. Classroom sizes are small
(student) and the teachers actually give a dam, I mean no cell phones, no
walking in or out late, all uniforms, always homework done. Here it is a
joke, and here you will graduate with honors relatively easy, there you earn
it.


Yep & around here especially many the outstanding kids are of Asian
origin & invariably from private non unionised schools, it's a sad thing
to see happening. Of course the left say crazy things like "see lets
take their govt. funds (few that there are for private schools anyway)
because their students' good results mean they don't need it".

I'm sure you've had the same racist joke there, (prior apologies for
any offense) but as regards the homework part, it's about right;

Q: how do you know if your house has been robbed by a Vietnamese???
A: your dog is gone & your homework's done.






Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out
poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on left
leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated kids
till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover. Some of the
really stupid ones never do recover & they become union employees or used
car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives but some
grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even realise it.



I couldn't agree with you more there,,,





My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do,
well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been
estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's
genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??)
then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys than
the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions.




I couldn't agree with you more there either,,, and I didn't know that about
Harry,, I might have guessed that and definatly not surprised and that
proves my point to him undisputably. Black and white.

The other day he claimed to have a happy relationship with his kids;
yet years ago here he told us all what monsters his ex wife (choice
Krause lines about the ex wife as you can imagine) & kids were & that he
hadn't seen them in years, trouble with liars they just make it up as
they go along:-)


But to better answer the caller's question, yes with proper resources,
motivation and training a student could learn more in that environment. What
they might miss would be the public speaking opportunities, team work,
friendships, but at their age, they could easily go one on one with the
computer and yes learn more than at a public school.

I guess so but 12 mths shouldn't do that much harm even if it's a total
loss education wise, but if it works out it could be the making of the boys.

I'm not for a minute suggesting they're likely to become Rhodes
scholars via correspondence internet, but I'd hope with the parents help
they shouldn't fall behind.


K








K


"Tuuk" wrote in message
...


Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a
proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,,
tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to
compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like
Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market
value.















"K. Smith" wrote in message
...


Tamaroak wrote:


My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15
and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
satellite Internet connection.

Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?

Capt. Jeff

Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all
your lives.

In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with
their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current
boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.

The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure &
you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored
at home friends.

Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) &
room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young
need to experience.

Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to
be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down
side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the
whole family's education will improve:-)

I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about
in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days
it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them.
Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other
side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through,
those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those
that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the
end.

Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible
adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting
adventu-)


K

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 04:28:38 UTC, "Tuuk" wrote:


No, not at all, I am talking the east such as the Asian countries, the ones
that are economically exploding. Of couse there are poor countries
everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or muslims teach the wrong
things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focus so much on the
koran, teaching to hate non muslims, hating non islam and they do not spend
enough time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20 years old and
ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see others so wealthy then
the jealousy, rage, anger, and they rebel against the apex.

I know you are generalising, but let's look at a fact or two, shall we
....
At least one of the 911 hijacker pilots was apparently very well
educated at an expensive Lebanese private school which has a mixed
intake of various Christian and Muslim denominations, they promote
racial and religious harmony - not hate - and he came from a rich,
protective, family where he was the only son. So I don't think you can
specifically say ' That is why they attacked on 911'.

But to better answer the caller's question, yes with proper resources,
motivation and training a student could learn more in that environment. What
they might miss would be the public speaking opportunities, team work,
friendships, but at their age, they could easily go one on one with the
computer and yes learn more than at a public school.

A large number of studies have found that the major factor in the
average success (ie some fail dismally, some excel) of home educated
students is the fact that their parents care about their education and
show it. The same child, with the same parent showing the same amount
of interest might very well do better in a public school. On the other
hand public schools have their average dragged down by all the kids
whose parents don't give a damn and only send their kids because they
are made to.

Chris

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

"Jack Dale" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students.
I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

I presume, then, that you'll rebate what they paid in taxes toward that same
public system?

--Alan Gomes

"Jack Dale" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students.
I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

The principle of having paid for something (taxes), and getting at least a
tiny return on the investment.

"Greg" wrote in message
news:nXszd.634498$D%.194076@attbi_s51...

"Jack Dale" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students.
I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said
they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

The principle of having paid for something (taxes), and getting at least a
tiny return on the investment.
Greg,
Precisely correct. Now, if they would let home schoolers opt out of paying
into the system then I would agree that they should not seek help from it.

--AG

Jack Dale wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:


Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul


I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

Gee Jack; you see you are or at least were, part of the problem; try to
understand teachers are just govt. employees paid to teach academic
subjects. Your personal private views are your personal private views be
they tax or war or whatever, at work with other peoples' impressionable
kids keep them to yourself.

All tax payers are entitled to have their share of the funds for
educating their children no matter how they choose to achieve it
correspondence, private topped up with extra funds or the public system.
It's all about free choice not union mandated brain washing.

K