Tuuk wrote:
Interesting,,, lets parse it,,,




Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find the
best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize was
really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit embarrassing
when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl. (her & her mum
were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you)



Yes, I will agree with you there, for certain there will be better more
qualified and successful educators done one on one at home, with say the
parent who cares. At the local public schools there is a problem. I see
western students at university who cannot read. Even private universities do
not motivate enough or produce a product that can compete in the real world.


Yes we have the same thing here, the Fed govt is trying to make funding
dependent upon schools at least meeting minimum benchmarks ( & they are
sad minimums:-)) but the teachers unions backed by lefty state
administrations are fighting it tooth & nail.



The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't
educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind the
west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not have
had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another.




No, not at all, I am talking the east such as the Asian countries, the ones
that are economically exploding. Of couse there are poor countries
everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or muslims teach the wrong
things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focus so much on the
koran, teaching to hate non muslims, hating non islam and they do not spend
enough time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20 years old and
ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see others so wealthy then
the jealousy, rage, anger, and they rebel against the apex.

I know I'll get into trouble for saying this but here & I suspect there
it's not much better:-) The unionised teachers take peoples' kids & fill
them full of lefty political stuff at the expense of real teaching. Yes
accepted they need more than an academic education, but that's not for
loony left teachers unions to decide, it's the unwritten, unannounced
political brainwashing curriculum the teachers run that produces
otherwise bright kids at university who can't bloody read nor do basic
maths.


The countries where I have attended universities in the west and east,, I
know that the east uncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big
difference is the costs and greed. Tuitions especially but one thing that
shocked me was text books. For example, in a university in Thailand, an
economics book, same edition, same publisher as the west, simply different
language goes for about 3.00 U.S. and here about 145.00 U.S. Same book. The
learning environment is much different also. Classroom sizes are small
(student) and the teachers actually give a dam, I mean no cell phones, no
walking in or out late, all uniforms, always homework done. Here it is a
joke, and here you will graduate with honors relatively easy, there you earn
it.


Yep & around here especially many the outstanding kids are of Asian
origin & invariably from private non unionised schools, it's a sad thing
to see happening. Of course the left say crazy things like "see lets
take their govt. funds (few that there are for private schools anyway)
because their students' good results mean they don't need it".

I'm sure you've had the same racist joke there, (prior apologies for
any offense) but as regards the homework part, it's about right;

Q: how do you know if your house has been robbed by a Vietnamese???
A: your dog is gone & your homework's done.






Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out
poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on left
leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated kids
till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover. Some of the
really stupid ones never do recover & they become union employees or used
car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives but some
grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even realise it.



I couldn't agree with you more there,,,





My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do,
well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been
estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's
genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??)
then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys than
the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions.




I couldn't agree with you more there either,,, and I didn't know that about
Harry,, I might have guessed that and definatly not surprised and that
proves my point to him undisputably. Black and white.

The other day he claimed to have a happy relationship with his kids;
yet years ago here he told us all what monsters his ex wife (choice
Krause lines about the ex wife as you can imagine) & kids were & that he
hadn't seen them in years, trouble with liars they just make it up as
they go along:-)


But to better answer the caller's question, yes with proper resources,
motivation and training a student could learn more in that environment. What
they might miss would be the public speaking opportunities, team work,
friendships, but at their age, they could easily go one on one with the
computer and yes learn more than at a public school.

I guess so but 12 mths shouldn't do that much harm even if it's a total
loss education wise, but if it works out it could be the making of the boys.

I'm not for a minute suggesting they're likely to become Rhodes
scholars via correspondence internet, but I'd hope with the parents help
they shouldn't fall behind.


K








K


"Tuuk" wrote in message
...


Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a
proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,,
tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to
compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like
Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market
value.















"K. Smith" wrote in message
...


Tamaroak wrote:


My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15
and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
satellite Internet connection.

Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?

Capt. Jeff

Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all
your lives.

In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with
their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current
boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.

The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure &
you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored
at home friends.

Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) &
room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young
need to experience.

Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to
be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down
side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the
whole family's education will improve:-)

I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about
in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days
it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them.
Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other
side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through,
those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those
that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the
end.

Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible
adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting
adventu-)


K

Jeff,

My experience is old, but the other side.

Things kids schooled on board miss:
Some school based activities (sports - theater - clubs)
Some social development that is now a part of life.
(out of school for a year or two - this will no be and issue)
The peer group fashion police that criticize everyone for whatever
he/she wears and how much it cost.
The local bullies that own the turf and expect tribute at every turn
and teach their way to respond to threats and intimidation.
They will have a very difficult time establishing connections to
purchase for things their school peers might buy with the money
provided to replace the parent/family time.
Being bored silly in a class because the rote learning process is
slower for many of the classmates.

If they return to the same school they left, they may be somewhat out of
step. In the year of home school, it is not uncommon for a student that
was doing mediocre work to advance two grade levels (my wife is an
adviser to several home school families).

Many years ago, we lived on a Maine built Ketch. She was finished just
after the war (WW2)and was intended to be a coaster. I was the youngest
of three and the only one to come aboard as a newborn.

My mother ran school as was required, but I started earlier than could
have happened ashore. When time came to move into a house, it was rough
for my siblings. Both ended up in placed by grade level and so were
the youngest in the class by a year or more. They survived.

Would I subject two boys to this - in a heartbeat. They will be set in
an experience that they will able to draw on for a lifetime. The people
that they might not get along with aren't worth getting along with anyway.



Tamaroak wrote:
My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and
home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
satellite Internet connection.

Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?

Capt. Jeff

Tuuk wrote:
You make some good points,,


let me just add a couple quick quick points.


I found interesting this last couple years living here in the west, I
experienced on several occasions very young students knocking on my door and
selling me chocolate bars. Now every time I ask where the proceeds go. It
appears they are to help out at the schools. When asked for specifics the
students couldn't explain. I called the school, asked the principal where
the proceeds were going, she claimed they were going into a fund to offset
"government cuts". She badmouthed the government inside out and upside down
and when I asked for a bit of a breakdown, she said she was paying overtime
rates for teachers who worked over a certain time. So what the teachers are
doing in my neck of the woods are shuffling off the children at nights to
earn money selling chocolate bars. Now in my area, the teachers earn a high
rate, they have summers off, they have every holiday off, they have extra
holidays off. It is unbelievable. Yet they make the students spend their
time going door to door. Students come home today not with homework but with
lessons. It is the responsibility of the parents today to teach lessons at
home. And another thing that bothers me yet I do not understand it totally
is the ADD (attention disorder deficit) or something like that. Teachers are
demanding that younger students sit there wasted on drugs or they are not
allowed in the classroom. You know, I don't know what all these acronyms
mean but I had everyone of them growing up in school, still have them and I
don't need drugs.

Love it!!! No wonder you pegged Krause as a non boating, lying,
uneducated simpleton so easily, well done:-)


I notice at the universities locally, they are separating the Asian students
from the domestic students. The Asians are embarrassing the domestic
students. Asians never had summers off, never had ADD, never needed drugs,
never were forced to give up the play time to sell chocolate bars. Any money
earned after school went to the parents and not the teachers.

Hmmm I think I'd like to stress as strongly as I can; that the reason
our Asian students "on average" are doing so well is a cultural work
ethic thing, mostly pushed by parents (sometimes pushed too hard in my
view) & not that any race is inherently smarter nor dumber than the
other. We've had a couple of episodes here of recent years, where pass
marks just were not good enough & the students resorted to what can only
be called cheating & another university actually gave in to pressure &
remarked papers to satisfy parents. I think there are over the top pushy
parents in all things related to kids, schooling achievements are an
obvious one by gee it goes down to parent violence at kids sport,
everything.

When I was young we had lots of post war Sthn European immigrants & the
almost exact same thing happened, as new "immigrants" the family had a
very high work ethic & they didn't accept any excuses from teachers or
their kids, school was to learn & that's what they did. Now those same
families are "assimilated" into our country & mostly invisible, so to as
the years go by this will happen to immigrants from most anywhere to
anywhere.

Of course an habitual liar like Krause?? time won't help.


And the teachers today are sending home political documentation that is
wrong, it promotes as you suggest the lefties and socialists etc etc and it
suggests it is in the best interests of the parents to vote according to
their recommendations as they suggest it is the best for the students. Like
a gun to their heads.

Yes this aspect is a real worry & I honestly think it's damaging
society in general, here it's full on lefty brain washing & even very
young children come out with "blame the govt" or "blame evil business"
taught mantras from the school system. They're too young to even wonder
how they'll live their lives if "business" people stopped risking
"their" money to provide jobs to others so those same others can abuse
them for their efforts.


Just about every year, I notice also in this social education system, a
rotating strike just before examination time. Now the poor students who
happen to be stuck at the school with the strike gives up their year. Or
simply is given the credit yet falls far behind. This is something that I
have never experienced in any other part of the world.

Yep these scum labour organisations work together world wide, if they
find a standover tactic that works in one country they quickly
transplant it to another, they care for nothing but their own power at
the expense of others, including their own members.

Almost single handedly they've wrecked the education systems in western
countries, the once great US manufacturing sector, now all that's left
is retailing & it seems they're intent on destroying even that.


To the original caller, ya go ahead and take the students out of the
bureaucracy and I am sure they will receive better training from themselves
or parents. Go to the school, ask for the syllabi for the year and I know
you can do a better job than the teachers do. It appears teachers today are
glorified day care workers, right up until the time of university.

Most systems will supply a correspondence course, send out or give
online the material, the tests, even some extra assistance if things get
rocky (little joke there for a boating trip).

Have you noticed the way Krause thinks the merits or otherwise of what
you say is all about "where you come from" ??? He really is the lowest
of the low & all on his own drops that common denominator into the sewer.


K









"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

Tuuk wrote:

Interesting,,, lets parse it,,,





Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find
the best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize
was really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit
embarrassing when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl.
(her & her mum were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you)



Yes, I will agree with you there, for certain there will be better more
qualified and successful educators done one on one at home, with say the
parent who cares. At the local public schools there is a problem. I see
western students at university who cannot read. Even private universities
do not motivate enough or produce a product that can compete in the real
world.



Yes we have the same thing here, the Fed govt is trying to make funding
dependent upon schools at least meeting minimum benchmarks ( & they are
sad minimums:-)) but the teachers unions backed by lefty state
administrations are fighting it tooth & nail.



The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't
educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind the
west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not have
had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another.




No, not at all, I am talking the east such as the Asian countries, the
ones that are economically exploding. Of couse there are poor countries
everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or muslims teach the wrong
things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focus so much on
the koran, teaching to hate non muslims, hating non islam and they do not
spend enough time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20
years old and ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see
others so wealthy then the jealousy, rage, anger, and they rebel against
the apex.

I know I'll get into trouble for saying this but here & I suspect there
it's not much better:-) The unionised teachers take peoples' kids & fill
them full of lefty political stuff at the expense of real teaching. Yes
accepted they need more than an academic education, but that's not for
loony left teachers unions to decide, it's the unwritten, unannounced
political brainwashing curriculum the teachers run that produces otherwise
bright kids at university who can't bloody read nor do basic maths.


The countries where I have attended universities in the west and east,, I
know that the east uncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big
difference is the costs and greed. Tuitions especially but one thing that
shocked me was text books. For example, in a university in Thailand, an
economics book, same edition, same publisher as the west, simply
different language goes for about 3.00 U.S. and here about 145.00 U.S.
Same book. The learning environment is much different also. Classroom
sizes are small (student) and the teachers actually give a dam, I mean no
cell phones, no walking in or out late, all uniforms, always homework
done. Here it is a joke, and here you will graduate with honors
relatively easy, there you earn it.



Yep & around here especially many the outstanding kids are of Asian origin
& invariably from private non unionised schools, it's a sad thing to see
happening. Of course the left say crazy things like "see lets take their
govt. funds (few that there are for private schools anyway) because their
students' good results mean they don't need it".

I'm sure you've had the same racist joke there, (prior apologies for any
offense) but as regards the homework part, it's about right;

Q: how do you know if your house has been robbed by a Vietnamese???
A: your dog is gone & your homework's done.






Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out
poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on left
leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated kids
till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover. Some of
the really stupid ones never do recover & they become union employees or
used car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives but
some grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even realise it.



I couldn't agree with you more there,,,






My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do,
well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been
estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's
genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??)
then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys
than the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions.




I couldn't agree with you more there either,,, and I didn't know that
about Harry,, I might have guessed that and definatly not surprised and
that proves my point to him undisputably. Black and white.

The other day he claimed to have a happy relationship with his kids; yet
years ago here he told us all what monsters his ex wife (choice Krause
lines about the ex wife as you can imagine) & kids were & that he hadn't
seen them in years, trouble with liars they just make it up as they go
along:-)


But to better answer the caller's question, yes with proper resources,
motivation and training a student could learn more in that environment.
What they might miss would be the public speaking opportunities, team
work, friendships, but at their age, they could easily go one on one with
the computer and yes learn more than at a public school.

I guess so but 12 mths shouldn't do that much harm even if it's a total
loss education wise, but if it works out it could be the making of the
boys.

I'm not for a minute suggesting they're likely to become Rhodes scholars
via correspondence internet, but I'd hope with the parents help they
shouldn't fall behind.


K








K



"Tuuk" wrote in message
.. .



Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a
proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,,
tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to
compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like
Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market
value.















"K. Smith" wrote in message
...



Tamaroak wrote:



My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15
and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and
a satellite Internet connection.

Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?

Capt. Jeff

Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all
your lives.

In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people
with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the
current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.

The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure &
you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their
bored at home friends.

Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) &
room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the
young need to experience.

Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to
be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no
down side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get
involved the whole family's education will improve:-)

I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry
about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas
these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls
await them. Being with you as a family will help guide them through &
out the other side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to
get through, those that do are fine for life with a good attitude &
education, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain
thus right to the end.

Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible
adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting
adventu-)


K

Yes,, he is an interesting specimen,, I enjoy having fun with the old boy,,

A little bit twisted in some of his ways but that is ok, I don't hold that
against him,,,,







"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
Tuuk wrote:
You make some good points,,


let me just add a couple quick quick points.


I found interesting this last couple years living here in the west, I
experienced on several occasions very young students knocking on my door
and selling me chocolate bars. Now every time I ask where the proceeds
go. It appears they are to help out at the schools. When asked for
specifics the students couldn't explain. I called the school, asked the
principal where the proceeds were going, she claimed they were going into
a fund to offset "government cuts". She badmouthed the government inside
out and upside down and when I asked for a bit of a breakdown, she said
she was paying overtime rates for teachers who worked over a certain
time. So what the teachers are doing in my neck of the woods are
shuffling off the children at nights to earn money selling chocolate
bars. Now in my area, the teachers earn a high rate, they have summers
off, they have every holiday off, they have extra holidays off. It is
unbelievable. Yet they make the students spend their time going door to
door. Students come home today not with homework but with lessons. It is
the responsibility of the parents today to teach lessons at home. And
another thing that bothers me yet I do not understand it totally is the
ADD (attention disorder deficit) or something like that. Teachers are
demanding that younger students sit there wasted on drugs or they are not
allowed in the classroom. You know, I don't know what all these acronyms
mean but I had everyone of them growing up in school, still have them and
I don't need drugs.

Love it!!! No wonder you pegged Krause as a non boating, lying, uneducated
simpleton so easily, well done:-)


I notice at the universities locally, they are separating the Asian
students from the domestic students. The Asians are embarrassing the
domestic students. Asians never had summers off, never had ADD, never
needed drugs, never were forced to give up the play time to sell
chocolate bars. Any money earned after school went to the parents and not
the teachers.

Hmmm I think I'd like to stress as strongly as I can; that the reason our
Asian students "on average" are doing so well is a cultural work ethic
thing, mostly pushed by parents (sometimes pushed too hard in my view) &
not that any race is inherently smarter nor dumber than the other. We've
had a couple of episodes here of recent years, where pass marks just were
not good enough & the students resorted to what can only be called
cheating & another university actually gave in to pressure & remarked
papers to satisfy parents. I think there are over the top pushy parents in
all things related to kids, schooling achievements are an obvious one by
gee it goes down to parent violence at kids sport, everything.

When I was young we had lots of post war Sthn European immigrants & the
almost exact same thing happened, as new "immigrants" the family had a
very high work ethic & they didn't accept any excuses from teachers or
their kids, school was to learn & that's what they did. Now those same
families are "assimilated" into our country & mostly invisible, so to as
the years go by this will happen to immigrants from most anywhere to
anywhere.

Of course an habitual liar like Krause?? time won't help.


And the teachers today are sending home political documentation that is
wrong, it promotes as you suggest the lefties and socialists etc etc and
it suggests it is in the best interests of the parents to vote according
to their recommendations as they suggest it is the best for the students.
Like a gun to their heads.

Yes this aspect is a real worry & I honestly think it's damaging society
in general, here it's full on lefty brain washing & even very young
children come out with "blame the govt" or "blame evil business" taught
mantras from the school system. They're too young to even wonder how
they'll live their lives if "business" people stopped risking "their"
money to provide jobs to others so those same others can abuse them for
their efforts.


Just about every year, I notice also in this social education system, a
rotating strike just before examination time. Now the poor students who
happen to be stuck at the school with the strike gives up their year. Or
simply is given the credit yet falls far behind. This is something that I
have never experienced in any other part of the world.

Yep these scum labour organisations work together world wide, if they find
a standover tactic that works in one country they quickly transplant it to
another, they care for nothing but their own power at the expense of
others, including their own members.

Almost single handedly they've wrecked the education systems in western
countries, the once great US manufacturing sector, now all that's left is
retailing & it seems they're intent on destroying even that.


To the original caller, ya go ahead and take the students out of the
bureaucracy and I am sure they will receive better training from
themselves or parents. Go to the school, ask for the syllabi for the year
and I know you can do a better job than the teachers do. It appears
teachers today are glorified day care workers, right up until the time of
university.

Most systems will supply a correspondence course, send out or give online
the material, the tests, even some extra assistance if things get rocky
(little joke there for a boating trip).

Have you noticed the way Krause thinks the merits or otherwise of what you
say is all about "where you come from" ??? He really is the lowest of the
low & all on his own drops that common denominator into the sewer.


K









"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

Tuuk wrote:

Interesting,,, lets parse it,,,





Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find
the best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize
was really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit
embarrassing when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl.
(her & her mum were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you)



Yes, I will agree with you there, for certain there will be better more
qualified and successful educators done one on one at home, with say the
parent who cares. At the local public schools there is a problem. I see
western students at university who cannot read. Even private
universities do not motivate enough or produce a product that can
compete in the real world.



Yes we have the same thing here, the Fed govt is trying to make funding
dependent upon schools at least meeting minimum benchmarks ( & they are
sad minimums:-)) but the teachers unions backed by lefty state
administrations are fighting it tooth & nail.



The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't
educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind
the west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not
have had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another.




No, not at all, I am talking the east such as the Asian countries, the
ones that are economically exploding. Of couse there are poor countries
everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or muslims teach the wrong
things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focus so much on
the koran, teaching to hate non muslims, hating non islam and they do
not spend enough time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20
years old and ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see
others so wealthy then the jealousy, rage, anger, and they rebel against
the apex.

I know I'll get into trouble for saying this but here & I suspect there
it's not much better:-) The unionised teachers take peoples' kids & fill
them full of lefty political stuff at the expense of real teaching. Yes
accepted they need more than an academic education, but that's not for
loony left teachers unions to decide, it's the unwritten, unannounced
political brainwashing curriculum the teachers run that produces
otherwise bright kids at university who can't bloody read nor do basic
maths.


The countries where I have attended universities in the west and east,,
I know that the east uncontestably does a better job. Where there is a
big difference is the costs and greed. Tuitions especially but one thing
that shocked me was text books. For example, in a university in
Thailand, an economics book, same edition, same publisher as the west,
simply different language goes for about 3.00 U.S. and here about 145.00
U.S. Same book. The learning environment is much different also.
Classroom sizes are small (student) and the teachers actually give a
dam, I mean no cell phones, no walking in or out late, all uniforms,
always homework done. Here it is a joke, and here you will graduate with
honors relatively easy, there you earn it.



Yep & around here especially many the outstanding kids are of Asian
origin & invariably from private non unionised schools, it's a sad thing
to see happening. Of course the left say crazy things like "see lets take
their govt. funds (few that there are for private schools anyway) because
their students' good results mean they don't need it".

I'm sure you've had the same racist joke there, (prior apologies for any
offense) but as regards the homework part, it's about right;

Q: how do you know if your house has been robbed by a Vietnamese???
A: your dog is gone & your homework's done.






Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out
poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on
left leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated
kids till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover.
Some of the really stupid ones never do recover & they become union
employees or used car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really,
wasted lives but some grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even
realise it.



I couldn't agree with you more there,,,






My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do,
well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been
estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's
genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??)
then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys
than the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions.




I couldn't agree with you more there either,,, and I didn't know that
about Harry,, I might have guessed that and definatly not surprised and
that proves my point to him undisputably. Black and white.

The other day he claimed to have a happy relationship with his kids; yet
years ago here he told us all what monsters his ex wife (choice Krause
lines about the ex wife as you can imagine) & kids were & that he hadn't
seen them in years, trouble with liars they just make it up as they go
along:-)


But to better answer the caller's question, yes with proper resources,
motivation and training a student could learn more in that environment.
What they might miss would be the public speaking opportunities, team
work, friendships, but at their age, they could easily go one on one
with the computer and yes learn more than at a public school.

I guess so but 12 mths shouldn't do that much harm even if it's a total
loss education wise, but if it works out it could be the making of the
boys.

I'm not for a minute suggesting they're likely to become Rhodes scholars
via correspondence internet, but I'd hope with the parents help they
shouldn't fall behind.


K








K



"Tuuk" wrote in message
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Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a
proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,,
tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need
to compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job
like Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much
market value.















"K. Smith" wrote in message
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Tamaroak wrote:



My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the
Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast,
the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be
14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared
curriculum and a satellite Internet connection.

Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of
adventure?

Capt. Jeff

Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all
your lives.

In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people
with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board
the current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.

The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure &
you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their
bored at home friends.

Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) &
room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the
young need to experience.

Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used
to be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's
no down side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get
involved the whole family's education will improve:-)

I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry
about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas
these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls
await them. Being with you as a family will help guide them through
& out the other side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need
to get through, those that do are fine for life with a good attitude
& education, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to
remain thus right to the end.

Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible
adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting
adventu-)


K

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

"Jack Dale" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students.
I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

I presume, then, that you'll rebate what they paid in taxes toward that same
public system?

--Alan Gomes

"Jack Dale" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students.
I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

The principle of having paid for something (taxes), and getting at least a
tiny return on the investment.

"Greg" wrote in message
news:nXszd.634498$D%.194076@attbi_s51...

"Jack Dale" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students.
I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said
they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

The principle of having paid for something (taxes), and getting at least a
tiny return on the investment.
Greg,
Precisely correct. Now, if they would let home schoolers opt out of paying
into the system then I would agree that they should not seek help from it.

--AG

Jack Dale wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:


Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul


I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

Gee Jack; you see you are or at least were, part of the problem; try to
understand teachers are just govt. employees paid to teach academic
subjects. Your personal private views are your personal private views be
they tax or war or whatever, at work with other peoples' impressionable
kids keep them to yourself.

All tax payers are entitled to have their share of the funds for
educating their children no matter how they choose to achieve it
correspondence, private topped up with extra funds or the public system.
It's all about free choice not union mandated brain washing.

K

There are many boaters with children onboard, the children always seem more
mature and capable than others.
I am wondering if the kids would stay more interested in a Bahamas trip than
a US trip. There is some stretches of open water, but you can do the whole
country without any sections over 50 miles.
In the US, you can get wireless high speed internet from cell phone
companies. Satellite internet has so few minutes/$ that it is not practical
for web surfing. (Globalstar is $100/month for 400 minutes) That said, of
all the kids I have met aboard, none had onboard internet.
If you have not found your boat yet, stay away from planing hull
powerboats, the fuel use is massive (MPG=.5 to 1 MPG), then the resulting
range is short. Some gas powered 30' boats have a total range of only 70
miles!
Lee Haefele
Nauticat 33 Motorsailer, Alesto, currently anchored Salinas, PR
"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
Jack Dale wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:


Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students.
I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures
said they for the most part are doing very well.
Paul