Tuuk wrote:
You make some good points,,
let me just add a couple quick quick points.
I found interesting this last couple years living here in the west, I
experienced on several occasions very young students knocking on my door and
selling me chocolate bars. Now every time I ask where the proceeds go. It
appears they are to help out at the schools. When asked for specifics the
students couldn't explain. I called the school, asked the principal where
the proceeds were going, she claimed they were going into a fund to offset
"government cuts". She badmouthed the government inside out and upside down
and when I asked for a bit of a breakdown, she said she was paying overtime
rates for teachers who worked over a certain time. So what the teachers are
doing in my neck of the woods are shuffling off the children at nights to
earn money selling chocolate bars. Now in my area, the teachers earn a high
rate, they have summers off, they have every holiday off, they have extra
holidays off. It is unbelievable. Yet they make the students spend their
time going door to door. Students come home today not with homework but with
lessons. It is the responsibility of the parents today to teach lessons at
home. And another thing that bothers me yet I do not understand it totally
is the ADD (attention disorder deficit) or something like that. Teachers are
demanding that younger students sit there wasted on drugs or they are not
allowed in the classroom. You know, I don't know what all these acronyms
mean but I had everyone of them growing up in school, still have them and I
don't need drugs.
Love it!!! No wonder you pegged Krause as a non boating, lying,
uneducated simpleton so easily, well done:-)
I notice at the universities locally, they are separating the Asian students
from the domestic students. The Asians are embarrassing the domestic
students. Asians never had summers off, never had ADD, never needed drugs,
never were forced to give up the play time to sell chocolate bars. Any money
earned after school went to the parents and not the teachers.
Hmmm I think I'd like to stress as strongly as I can; that the reason
our Asian students "on average" are doing so well is a cultural work
ethic thing, mostly pushed by parents (sometimes pushed too hard in my
view) & not that any race is inherently smarter nor dumber than the
other. We've had a couple of episodes here of recent years, where pass
marks just were not good enough & the students resorted to what can only
be called cheating & another university actually gave in to pressure &
remarked papers to satisfy parents. I think there are over the top pushy
parents in all things related to kids, schooling achievements are an
obvious one by gee it goes down to parent violence at kids sport,
everything.
When I was young we had lots of post war Sthn European immigrants & the
almost exact same thing happened, as new "immigrants" the family had a
very high work ethic & they didn't accept any excuses from teachers or
their kids, school was to learn & that's what they did. Now those same
families are "assimilated" into our country & mostly invisible, so to as
the years go by this will happen to immigrants from most anywhere to
anywhere.
Of course an habitual liar like Krause?? time won't help.
And the teachers today are sending home political documentation that is
wrong, it promotes as you suggest the lefties and socialists etc etc and it
suggests it is in the best interests of the parents to vote according to
their recommendations as they suggest it is the best for the students. Like
a gun to their heads.
Yes this aspect is a real worry & I honestly think it's damaging
society in general, here it's full on lefty brain washing & even very
young children come out with "blame the govt" or "blame evil business"
taught mantras from the school system. They're too young to even wonder
how they'll live their lives if "business" people stopped risking
"their" money to provide jobs to others so those same others can abuse
them for their efforts.
Just about every year, I notice also in this social education system, a
rotating strike just before examination time. Now the poor students who
happen to be stuck at the school with the strike gives up their year. Or
simply is given the credit yet falls far behind. This is something that I
have never experienced in any other part of the world.
Yep these scum labour organisations work together world wide, if they
find a standover tactic that works in one country they quickly
transplant it to another, they care for nothing but their own power at
the expense of others, including their own members.
Almost single handedly they've wrecked the education systems in western
countries, the once great US manufacturing sector, now all that's left
is retailing & it seems they're intent on destroying even that.
To the original caller, ya go ahead and take the students out of the
bureaucracy and I am sure they will receive better training from themselves
or parents. Go to the school, ask for the syllabi for the year and I know
you can do a better job than the teachers do. It appears teachers today are
glorified day care workers, right up until the time of university.
Most systems will supply a correspondence course, send out or give
online the material, the tests, even some extra assistance if things get
rocky (little joke there for a boating trip).
Have you noticed the way Krause thinks the merits or otherwise of what
you say is all about "where you come from" ??? He really is the lowest
of the low & all on his own drops that common denominator into the sewer.
K
"K. Smith" wrote in message
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Tuuk wrote:
Interesting,,, lets parse it,,,
Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find
the best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize
was really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit
embarrassing when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl.
(her & her mum were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you)
Yes, I will agree with you there, for certain there will be better more
qualified and successful educators done one on one at home, with say the
parent who cares. At the local public schools there is a problem. I see
western students at university who cannot read. Even private universities
do not motivate enough or produce a product that can compete in the real
world.
Yes we have the same thing here, the Fed govt is trying to make funding
dependent upon schools at least meeting minimum benchmarks ( & they are
sad minimums:-)) but the teachers unions backed by lefty state
administrations are fighting it tooth & nail.
The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't
educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind the
west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not have
had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another.
No, not at all, I am talking the east such as the Asian countries, the
ones that are economically exploding. Of couse there are poor countries
everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or muslims teach the wrong
things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focus so much on
the koran, teaching to hate non muslims, hating non islam and they do not
spend enough time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20
years old and ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see
others so wealthy then the jealousy, rage, anger, and they rebel against
the apex.
I know I'll get into trouble for saying this but here & I suspect there
it's not much better:-) The unionised teachers take peoples' kids & fill
them full of lefty political stuff at the expense of real teaching. Yes
accepted they need more than an academic education, but that's not for
loony left teachers unions to decide, it's the unwritten, unannounced
political brainwashing curriculum the teachers run that produces otherwise
bright kids at university who can't bloody read nor do basic maths.
The countries where I have attended universities in the west and east,, I
know that the east uncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big
difference is the costs and greed. Tuitions especially but one thing that
shocked me was text books. For example, in a university in Thailand, an
economics book, same edition, same publisher as the west, simply
different language goes for about 3.00 U.S. and here about 145.00 U.S.
Same book. The learning environment is much different also. Classroom
sizes are small (student) and the teachers actually give a dam, I mean no
cell phones, no walking in or out late, all uniforms, always homework
done. Here it is a joke, and here you will graduate with honors
relatively easy, there you earn it.
Yep & around here especially many the outstanding kids are of Asian origin
& invariably from private non unionised schools, it's a sad thing to see
happening. Of course the left say crazy things like "see lets take their
govt. funds (few that there are for private schools anyway) because their
students' good results mean they don't need it".
I'm sure you've had the same racist joke there, (prior apologies for any
offense) but as regards the homework part, it's about right;
Q: how do you know if your house has been robbed by a Vietnamese???
A: your dog is gone & your homework's done.
Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out
poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on left
leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated kids
till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover. Some of
the really stupid ones never do recover & they become union employees or
used car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives but
some grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even realise it.
I couldn't agree with you more there,,,
My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do,
well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been
estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's
genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??)
then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys
than the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions.
I couldn't agree with you more there either,,, and I didn't know that
about Harry,, I might have guessed that and definatly not surprised and
that proves my point to him undisputably. Black and white.
The other day he claimed to have a happy relationship with his kids; yet
years ago here he told us all what monsters his ex wife (choice Krause
lines about the ex wife as you can imagine) & kids were & that he hadn't
seen them in years, trouble with liars they just make it up as they go
along:-)
But to better answer the caller's question, yes with proper resources,
motivation and training a student could learn more in that environment.
What they might miss would be the public speaking opportunities, team
work, friendships, but at their age, they could easily go one on one with
the computer and yes learn more than at a public school.
I guess so but 12 mths shouldn't do that much harm even if it's a total
loss education wise, but if it works out it could be the making of the
boys.
I'm not for a minute suggesting they're likely to become Rhodes scholars
via correspondence internet, but I'd hope with the parents help they
shouldn't fall behind.
K
K
"Tuuk" wrote in message
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Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a
proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,,
tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to
compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like
Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market
value.
"K. Smith" wrote in message
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Tamaroak wrote:
My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15
and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and
a satellite Internet connection.
Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?
Capt. Jeff
Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all
your lives.
In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people
with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the
current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.
The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure &
you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their
bored at home friends.
Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) &
room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the
young need to experience.
Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to
be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no
down side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get
involved the whole family's education will improve:-)
I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry
about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas
these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls
await them. Being with you as a family will help guide them through &
out the other side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to
get through, those that do are fine for life with a good attitude &
education, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain
thus right to the end.
Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible
adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting
adventu-)
K
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