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On Feb 25, 11:38 am, Joe wrote:
On Feb 25, 1:01 pm, Two meter troll wrote: On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold? Heh, good question. You're not going into coffee shipping, are you??? Leanne naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly. the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities trying to shoot me out of the water. all in all a good trade. Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on the sly? probably a bit of both if on the sly you mean taking cargo up to remote places in the arctic for friends that dont have boats to carry bulk goods from the lower 48. ive done that for years. Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another country? yep its not to bad as long as you go point to point. stopping in the little ports coast hopping is a good way to go broke. Every inspector expects a bit of ba-keesh. Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very small space. 20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100 thousand. however Coffee is also a drug smugglers cargo. i would rather not have my cargo ripped apart at every stop. and i don't want a whole passel of mutts on my boat. Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are more suited for near coastal and harbor work. I like building boats this one will be number 7 and the third of over 30 feet. I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming dynasty design. http://www.chrisdixonstudios.com/hcs...reenwidth=1024 If you build, will it be steel? not if i am sane. wood Doug fir, myrtle wood and PO cedar specifically Do you have a boat now? yep 3 and more i can lay my hands to. two of those are 28 and 30 foot skin on frame student boats. I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work? King crabbing, salmon trolling, Cargo, tendering and oil exploration OBC and streamer. Joe |
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On Feb 25, 2:49*pm, Two meter troll wrote:
On Feb 25, 11:38 am, Joe wrote: On Feb 25, 1:01 pm, Two meter troll wrote: On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold? Heh, good question. You're not going into coffee shipping, are you??? Leanne naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly. the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities trying to shoot me out of the water. all in all a good trade. *Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on the sly? probably a bit of both if on the sly you mean taking cargo up to remote places in the arctic for friends that dont have boats to carry bulk goods from the lower 48. ive done that for years. Thats perfectly legal. Alaska is America. Good plan Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another country? yep its not to bad as long as you go point to point. stopping in the little ports coast hopping is a good way to go broke. Every inspector expects a bit of ba-keesh. Indeed, stopping anywhere you can expect to toss some lan-yap Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very small space. 20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100 thousand. however Coffee is also a drug smugglers cargo. I have not heard that. Can you poimt to an example of that? True C.A. is full of drug dealers, and thats the closest source of beans, but ive never heard of that. Someone trying to smuggle an ounce on the boat in a coffee can maybe i would rather not have my cargo ripped apart at every stop. and i don't want a whole passel of mutts on my boat. Well if you stay in the US and haul for friends you should not have any problems what so ever. *Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are more suited for near coastal and harbor work. I like building boats this one will be number 7 and the third of over 30 feet. I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming dynasty design. http://www.chrisdixonstudios.com/hcs...s/gallery.php?... If you build, will it be steel? not if i am sane. *wood Doug fir, myrtle wood and PO cedar specifically Ok traditional junk-50 ft= 25 acres of lumber..But the value of the junks in china is the old growth mahogany and teak. Do you have a boat now? yep 3 and more i can lay my hands to. two of those are 28 and 30 foot skin on frame student boats. *I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work? King crabbing, salmon trolling, Cargo, tendering and oil exploration OBC and streamer. buuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Joe Joe- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on the sly? probably a bit of both if on the sly you mean taking cargo up to remote places in the arctic for friends that dont have boats to carry bulk goods from the lower 48. ive done that for years. Thats perfectly legal. Alaska is America. Good plan Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another country? yep its not to bad as long as you go point to point. stopping in the little ports coast hopping is a good way to go broke. Every inspector expects a bit of ba-keesh. Indeed, stopping anywhere you can expect to toss some lan-yap however Coffee is also a drug smugglers cargo. I have not heard that. Can you poimt to an example of that? True C.A. is full of drug dealers, and thats the closest source of beans, but ive never heard of that. Someone trying to smuggle an ounce on the boat in a coffee can maybe Maybe but if i know it as a rumor im pretty sure the CG and other inspectors will also. IMO the prevention of suspicion is better than the attention of suspicion. i will be getting the eye at any rate; from the various Homeland security folks in the US better to be as safe as i can. Well if you stay in the US and haul for friends you should not have any problems what so ever. oh i plan on getting around a bit more than that. however running cargo out side the US has its attendant difficulties and i will evaluate those as needed. the various bonding is an issue that is easy for a big company and not so for a small guy. wood Doug fir, myrtle wood and PO cedar specifically Ok traditional junk-50 ft= 25 acres of lumber..But the value of the junks in china is the old growth mahogany and teak. very true. however i have the wood here and the milling operations. if i was to get a boat built in china the only way to pay for the whole bang would be to fill the hull with those exotic woods and sail her home then finish the accommodation's. an aside is that i like myrtlewood fir and port orford cedar. its here its handy and its cheap. well, within reason. King crabbing, salmon trolling, Cargo, tendering and oil exploration OBC and streamer. buuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. its not to bad, winter can get a little bleak (I wintered over a couple of times in the high arctic), summer on the other hand is marvelous. i miss the tundra flowering in spring. get this boat done and we can skip the seasons we don't want to deal with |
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On Feb 25, 3:46*pm, Two meter troll wrote:
*Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on the sly? probably a bit of both if on the sly you mean taking cargo up to remote places in the arctic for friends that dont have boats to carry bulk goods from the lower 48. ive done that for years. *Thats perfectly legal. Alaska is America. Good plan Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another country? yep its not to bad as long as you go point to point. stopping in the little ports coast hopping is a good way to go broke. Every inspector expects a bit of ba-keesh. Indeed, stopping anywhere you can expect to toss some lan-yap however Coffee is also a drug smugglers cargo. I have not heard that. Can you poimt to an example of that? True C.A. is full of drug dealers, and thats the closest source of beans, but ive never heard of that. Someone trying to smuggle an ounce on the boat in a coffee can maybe Maybe but if i know it as a rumor im pretty sure the CG and other inspectors will also. IMO the prevention of suspicion is better than the attention of suspicion. i will be getting the eye at any rate; from the various Homeland security folks in the US better to be as safe as i can. Geeee the USCG guys I know look for junks coming back from backwoods Alaska loaded down with pot, it's worth more than any boat load of crab. And IIRC one of the biggest pot ports is in Canada on that side just north or the border. But if you are not doing anything illegal then its not going to be a problem. Well if you stay in the US and haul for friends you should not have any problems what so ever. oh i plan on getting around a bit more than that. however running cargo out side the US has its attendant difficulties and i will evaluate those as needed. the various bonding is an issue that is easy for a big company and not so for a small guy. *wood Doug fir, myrtle wood and PO cedar specifically Ok traditional junk-50 ft= 25 acres of lumber..But the value of the junks in china is the old growth mahogany and teak. very true. however i have the wood here and the milling operations. if i was to get a boat built in china the only way to pay for the whole bang would be to fill the hull with those exotic woods and sail her home then finish the accommodation's. All the old growth wood is long gone, Im talking 24" X 42" solid mahogany keels. Beware of importing "exotic woods" very tricky and you can loose your cargo real easy to restrictions and bans. an aside is that i like myrtlewood *fir and port orford cedar. its here its handy and its cheap. *well, within reason. Hey as long as it dont rot and holds up well in sal****er it should work. King crabbing, salmon trolling, Cargo, tendering and oil exploration OBC and streamer. buuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. its not to bad, winter can get a little bleak (I wintered over a couple of times in the high arctic), summer on the other hand is marvelous. *i miss the tundra flowering in spring. get this boat done and we can skip the seasons we don't want to deal with- Hide quoted text - Yeah that tundra in spring sounds nice, it's just that other 90% of the year thats the problem. Joe - Show quoted text - |
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Geeee the USCG guys I know look for junks coming back from backwoods Alaska loaded down with pot, it's worth more than any boat load of crab. And IIRC one of the biggest pot ports is in Canada on that side just north or the border. But if you are not doing anything illegal then its not going to be a problem. Heh like a person would use a big boat to move pot across that border. its a short Zode ride across the sound. best done at night several boats with no moon and a good muffler. sides i live in oregon why the heck would i import pot? very true. however i have the wood here and the milling operations. if i was to get a boat built in china the only way to pay for the whole bang would be to fill the hull with those exotic woods and sail her home then finish the accommodation's. All the old growth wood is long gone, Im talking 24" X 42" solid mahogany keels. Beware of importing "exotic woods" very tricky and you can loose your cargo real easy to restrictions and bans. thats pretty much the size of it. an aside is that i like myrtlewood fir and port orford cedar. its here its handy and its cheap. well, within reason. Hey as long as it dont rot and holds up well in sal****er it should work. just cause its not used in the east to build boats dont mean it aint good. folks built ships out of myrtle wood Doug fir is a moderate rot resistance and PO cedar will last practically forever. it would scale at mahogany, white oak and well PO cedar. like i said i have the access to the materials right here and can get custom cut OG if i want a solid keel 50 feet long i can get one. but frankly why? i am not so much of a traditionalist as to eschew the use of epoxy and a laminated keel is far better than a solid chunk of wood, i can build it to have all the curve and counter stress i need with out having to deal with grain runout, checking, rot pockets, termites, etc. and if i wish i can bury a few hundred pounds of lead in it. I might build traditional but i also realize that there are places where the tradition is to use the best passable solution. like covering the hull in epoxy and cloth. if i have a choice of protecting the materials the hull is composed of then i will do that. small price to pay for the lifetime of a boat. its not to bad, winter can get a little bleak (I wintered over a couple of times in the high arctic), summer on the other hand is marvelous. i miss the tundra flowering in spring. get this boat done and we can skip the seasons we don't want to deal with Yeah that tundra in spring sounds nice, it's just that other 90% of the year thats the problem. I like the summer as long as i am at sea during it. the folks on land have the problems with bugs. and southeast in winter is very much like oregon with a touch more snow. so i would say about half the year is not good. |
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:45:30 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll
wrote: just cause its not used in the east to build boats dont mean it aint good. folks built ships out of myrtle wood Doug fir is a moderate rot resistance and PO cedar will last practically forever. it would scale at mahogany, white oak and well PO cedar. like i said i have the access to the materials right here and can get custom cut OG if i want a solid keel 50 feet long i can get one. but frankly why? i am not so much of a traditionalist as to eschew the use of epoxy and a laminated keel is far better than a solid chunk of wood, i can build it to have all the curve and counter stress i need with out having to deal with grain runout, checking, rot pockets, termites, etc. and if i wish i can bury a few hundred pounds of lead in it. Some folks are really crazy over wood. I like it myself for some things. I put a new rafter in my garage a few years back and the only 2"x6"x25' I could get was Douglas Fir, and it had to be shipped in. I suppose they're using laminated for the longer runs in new construction now. From what I've seen, it's stronger than solid wood and without the downsides you mentioned. Back in the early '70's I made a full wall (12'x8') book case of redwood. I went to the lumber yard thinking pine, but the redwood was much cleaner (perfect really) and cost less than high grade pine! Wasn't as stiff, but design took care of that. My last house was full of oak woodwork - real pretty stuff. But when I pulled some off to refinish it I found it be light as a feather, it had dried so much in 50 years. Brittle of course, and you had to real careful to avoid splitting it. Never looked the same to me knowing that. Didn't even seem like real wood. More like good-looking cardboard. Since then I don't pay much attention to wood beyond it doing the job you set for it. Still like boiled linseed oil though. --Vic |
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On Feb 25, 8:35 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:45:30 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll wrote: just cause its not used in the east to build boats dont mean it aint good. folks built ships out of myrtle wood Doug fir is a moderate rot resistance and PO cedar will last practically forever. it would scale at mahogany, white oak and well PO cedar. like i said i have the access to the materials right here and can get custom cut OG if i want a solid keel 50 feet long i can get one. but frankly why? i am not so much of a traditionalist as to eschew the use of epoxy and a laminated keel is far better than a solid chunk of wood, i can build it to have all the curve and counter stress i need with out having to deal with grain runout, checking, rot pockets, termites, etc. and if i wish i can bury a few hundred pounds of lead in it. Some folks are really crazy over wood. I like it myself for some things. I put a new rafter in my garage a few years back and the only 2"x6"x25' I could get was Douglas Fir, and it had to be shipped in. I suppose they're using laminated for the longer runs in new construction now. From what I've seen, it's stronger than solid wood and without the downsides you mentioned. Back in the early '70's I made a full wall (12'x8') book case of redwood. I went to the lumber yard thinking pine, but the redwood was much cleaner (perfect really) and cost less than high grade pine! Wasn't as stiff, but design took care of that. My last house was full of oak woodwork - real pretty stuff. But when I pulled some off to refinish it I found it be light as a feather, it had dried so much in 50 years. Brittle of course, and you had to real careful to avoid splitting it. Never looked the same to me knowing that. Didn't even seem like real wood. More like good-looking cardboard. Since then I don't pay much attention to wood beyond it doing the job you set for it. Still like boiled linseed oil though. --Vic thats pretty much where i stand on it. tung oil, and Stockholm tar for me heated with a bit of bees wax. |
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