I seen a program on TV, where is shows a cat getting caught
in a down-draft from a storm on the Great Lakes it flipped over
but did not sink. ? can you explain better

NH_/)_


"DSK" wrote in message
...
"NH_/)_" wrote:

.... so when the funds
come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is
lurking top choice.

Reasons
1 will flip ...but does not sink

Neither will a monohull with either bulkheads or positive flotation, and
if the mono flips it will come back.

Actually, it takes really bad luck and/or stupidity to flip a big
cruising cat. Not a realistic concern, you should worry about being
struck by a meteor first.


2 more room

Depends on how you count 'room.' Most multis suffer from lack of stowage
and the extra room is divided up into small compartments. Except for a
few Chris White designs, I have yet to see a cruising cat that was
designed for cruising (ie a small number of people aboard long term)
rather than chartering or weekend partying (not that there's anything
wrong with that).


3 sails in shallow water

So will a properly designed mono.


4 more stable on the water

Yep. Definitely a plus there.



Down side

1 Costs are high
the one we are looking at costs 300K
we only have 140K right now so we have to
wait for the trust to come available.

2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room

3 can't use a windvane

4 poor performance in chop (also very noisy)

5 poor performance in light air (but you'll probably be motoring anyway)

but wait there's more! I always manage to PO the multi fans because I
point out the lack of perfection of their craft... of course all boats
are a compromise.

Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical choice.
For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a mono that is
bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with centerboard or lifting
keel, and the only thing you gain with the cat is no heeling.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

"NH_/)_" wrote:

I seen a program on TV, where is shows a cat getting caught
in a down-draft from a storm on the Great Lakes it flipped over
but did not sink. ? can you explain better

Sure. That was a hot-stuff racing cat, very very light with huge sails. It is
a VERY different sort of beast than a cruising cat.

The things that flip cats over (pitchpoling, catching wind under the
crossbeams & platform) are not the same things that flip over monos (big
breaking waves caught at the wrong angle). The cats are vulnerable only if
caught in conditions that you'd be stupid to get caught in or sailed 'way too
hard (that Great Lakes flipped cat is an example of both at once).

If you cruise intelligently (ie prudently) you have about the same chance of
getting hit by a meteor as flipping. Of course, with the bigger deck area, a
multi has greater odds of that than a mono

I freely admit to being prejudiced in favor of monohulls, although I can see
some of the advantages of multihulls. Usually their advantages are either
exaggerated or outright mis-stated by enthusiasts, often by folks with little
practical knowledge of other types of vessels. Ask Jeff Morris about his boat,
he's a multi fan but not an unrealistic one.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

If you cruise intelligently (ie prudently) you have about the same chance of
getting hit by a meteor as flipping. Of course, with the bigger deck area, a
multi has greater odds of that than a mono

I dispute those odds. Care to back them? There is but one case of a person
being struck by space debris.

RB

That was a racing trimaran, not a cruising cat; two totally different boats. The have
been only a handful of cruising cats over 35 feet flipping while cruising in the last 50
years - maybe one a decade.

Here's the story of the Caliente:
http://personalpages.tds.net/~treyritter/


NH_/)_ wrote:
I seen a program on TV, where is shows a cat getting caught
in a down-draft from a storm on the Great Lakes it flipped over
but did not sink. ? can you explain better

NH_/)_


"DSK" wrote in message
...
"NH_/)_" wrote:

.... so when the funds
come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is
lurking top choice.

Reasons
1 will flip ...but does not sink

Neither will a monohull with either bulkheads or positive flotation,
and if the mono flips it will come back.

Actually, it takes really bad luck and/or stupidity to flip a big
cruising cat. Not a realistic concern, you should worry about being
struck by a meteor first.


2 more room

Depends on how you count 'room.' Most multis suffer from lack of
stowage and the extra room is divided up into small compartments.
Except for a few Chris White designs, I have yet to see a cruising
cat that was designed for cruising (ie a small number of people
aboard long term) rather than chartering or weekend partying (not
that there's anything wrong with that).


3 sails in shallow water

So will a properly designed mono.


4 more stable on the water

Yep. Definitely a plus there.



Down side

1 Costs are high
the one we are looking at costs 300K
we only have 140K right now so we have to
wait for the trust to come available.

2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room

3 can't use a windvane

4 poor performance in chop (also very noisy)

5 poor performance in light air (but you'll probably be motoring
anyway)

but wait there's more! I always manage to PO the multi fans because I
point out the lack of perfection of their craft... of course all
boats are a compromise.

Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical
choice. For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a
mono that is bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with
centerboard or lifting keel, and the only thing you gain with the
cat is no heeling.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

How do you know about the ones that were lost at sea and never
reported? I thought 'assumptions should not be made of the basis
of scanty information'.

S.Simon


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
That was a racing trimaran, not a cruising cat; two totally different boats. The have
been only a handful of cruising cats over 35 feet flipping while cruising in the last 50
years - maybe one a decade.

Here's the story of the Caliente:
http://personalpages.tds.net/~treyritter/


NH_/)_ wrote:
I seen a program on TV, where is shows a cat getting caught
in a down-draft from a storm on the Great Lakes it flipped over
but did not sink. ? can you explain better

NH_/)_


"DSK" wrote in message
...
"NH_/)_" wrote:

.... so when the funds
come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is
lurking top choice.

Reasons
1 will flip ...but does not sink

Neither will a monohull with either bulkheads or positive flotation,
and if the mono flips it will come back.

Actually, it takes really bad luck and/or stupidity to flip a big
cruising cat. Not a realistic concern, you should worry about being
struck by a meteor first.


2 more room

Depends on how you count 'room.' Most multis suffer from lack of
stowage and the extra room is divided up into small compartments.
Except for a few Chris White designs, I have yet to see a cruising
cat that was designed for cruising (ie a small number of people
aboard long term) rather than chartering or weekend partying (not
that there's anything wrong with that).


3 sails in shallow water

So will a properly designed mono.


4 more stable on the water

Yep. Definitely a plus there.



Down side

1 Costs are high
the one we are looking at costs 300K
we only have 140K right now so we have to
wait for the trust to come available.

2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room

3 can't use a windvane

4 poor performance in chop (also very noisy)

5 poor performance in light air (but you'll probably be motoring
anyway)

but wait there's more! I always manage to PO the multi fans because I
point out the lack of perfection of their craft... of course all
boats are a compromise.

Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical
choice. For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a
mono that is bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with
centerboard or lifting keel, and the only thing you gain with the
cat is no heeling.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

Yes, its well know fact that multihull owners have no family or friends that would notice
their absence.

This is about as ignorant as your claim that "all multihulls can and will capsize and
sink"

Simple Simon wrote:
How do you know about the ones that were lost at sea and never
reported? I thought 'assumptions should not be made of the basis
of scanty information'.

S.Simon


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
That was a racing trimaran, not a cruising cat; two totally
different boats. The have been only a handful of cruising cats over
35 feet flipping while cruising in the last 50 years - maybe one a
decade.

Here's the story of the Caliente:
http://personalpages.tds.net/~treyritter/


NH_/)_ wrote:
I seen a program on TV, where is shows a cat getting caught
in a down-draft from a storm on the Great Lakes it flipped over
but did not sink. ? can you explain better

NH_/)_


"DSK" wrote in message
...
"NH_/)_" wrote:

.... so when the funds
come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is
lurking top choice.

Reasons
1 will flip ...but does not sink

Neither will a monohull with either bulkheads or positive
flotation, and if the mono flips it will come back.

Actually, it takes really bad luck and/or stupidity to flip a big
cruising cat. Not a realistic concern, you should worry about being
struck by a meteor first.


2 more room

Depends on how you count 'room.' Most multis suffer from lack of
stowage and the extra room is divided up into small compartments.
Except for a few Chris White designs, I have yet to see a cruising
cat that was designed for cruising (ie a small number of people
aboard long term) rather than chartering or weekend partying (not
that there's anything wrong with that).


3 sails in shallow water

So will a properly designed mono.


4 more stable on the water

Yep. Definitely a plus there.



Down side

1 Costs are high
the one we are looking at costs 300K
we only have 140K right now so we have to
wait for the trust to come available.

2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room

3 can't use a windvane

4 poor performance in chop (also very noisy)

5 poor performance in light air (but you'll probably be motoring
anyway)

but wait there's more! I always manage to PO the multi fans
because I point out the lack of perfection of their craft... of
course all boats are a compromise.

Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical
choice. For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a
mono that is bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with
centerboard or lifting keel, and the only thing you gain with the
cat is no heeling.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King