Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range

http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...ing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American

You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message
m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range


http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Now, look at any ballasted monohull capsize ratio chart. What do
you see? An angle of 90 degrees and more? Yes, sir, that's the
ticket!

See what I mean?

S.Simon - a monohull sailor and safer because of it.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message news
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message
m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range


http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Ratio and real world are two different points on the graph, Neal.
Please show us all of the cruising cat capsizes over the past 10-15 years.

RB

If my boat ever heeled more than 10 degrees I'd be calling the insurance agent. Last week
I had full sail up while close hauled in a 30 knot gust - we might have heeled 6 degrees.
Normally I would have been reefed, but this was a 2 mile zig in the middle of a 50 mile
broad reach.

You keep making the claims but the bottom line is that it doesn't happen. You can
certainly find numerous cases of racing multi flipping, and a few wiped out in harbor
during hurricane strikes (though they usually do better than monos), a number of smaller
cats (under 34 feet) have had a problem and even a few incidents during deliveries. But
there have been almost no cruising cats over 34 feet capsizing while cruising.

However, you can't say the same about monohull that roll - a startling number of them stay
capsized or sink.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Now, look at any ballasted monohull capsize ratio chart. What do
you see? An angle of 90 degrees and more? Yes, sir, that's the
ticket!

See what I mean?

S.Simon - a monohull sailor and safer because of it.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
news
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in
the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message
m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range



http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American

You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't.

How many cruising cats have flipped over in the last 15 years?
I can't even find one case online for a cruiser like Jeffs.

RB

Depending on how you define the terms, the number is 3 or 4 or 5. Several cases involved
skipper incompetence, though this is often the case with hindsight. But one was
particularly bad - the entire crew didn't have foul weather gear and in a gale refused to
go on deck to reef or control the boat - it flipped on autopilot! I know of another
autopilot assisted capsize, but it was in a smaller cat that I would include as a cruiser.

The only case I know of where the skipper did every thing right and still flipped was in a
hurricane off Bermuda (1987?). A number of monohulls were lost without a trace during
that storm, but the crew of the flipped cat was rescued. Unfortunately the owner/skipper
died because his diabetes medicine was lost.

Trimarans have a much worse record - since they can fly an ama they run the risk of
stuffing the lee bow with serious stability problems. IIRC the "F" club reports only 1
capsize of a Farrier design ever while cruising, but several a year while racing.




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't.

How many cruising cats have flipped over in the last 15 years?
I can't even find one case online for a cruiser like Jeffs.

RB

Have you dived the bottoms of the oceans of the world?

S.Simon


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't.

How many cruising cats have flipped over in the last 15 years?
I can't even find one case online for a cruiser like Jeffs.

RB

"Capt.American" wrote:

...I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat.

What? Needing to pay attention to the sails is "real danger?" You've been sailing that cow
barn too long, we realize that sail trim makes no difference to such a heavyweight, but most
of us have sailboats in order to SAIL.



SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Hmm, comsidering how many cats have made passages to Hawaii, your main claim to fame, this
doesn't come over too well CA. Maybe you should consider backing off....




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
... waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.


Jeff Morris wrote:
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.



Nah, Coronados rot away at their moorings and end up in the landfill.

DSK

"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...


SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

I think that the fear of Cat's capsizing is a bit like some people's fear of
flying versus road travel. If something goes wrong in a jet, it is likely
to be CATastrophic. However, one is statistically far safer in a jet than
in a car.

Personally, I just don't think that a catamaran feels right (apart from a
Hobie 15).

Regards


Donal
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