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Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range
http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...ing%20a%20Boat NH_/)_ |
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Only women and girly men are interested in Catamarans.
(Sorry Per!) S.Simon - a Captain who knows multihulls are not real boats "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...ing%20a%20Boat NH_/)_ |
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hummm ok, your the expert that's always in mooring thehee
NH_/)_ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Only women and girly men are interested in Catamarans. (Sorry Per!) S.Simon - a Captain who knows multihulls are not real boats "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...ing%20a%20Boat NH_/)_ |
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Bull****. They're great rigs if you understand them. If you overload
them, over- or under-canvass them, then they're crap. Some designs are not well thought out and are thus crap. If you sail them beyond your knowledge and skill, they're crap. But, all of this can be said for monohulls as well. It's the sailor, not the boat 99% of the time. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Only women and girly men are interested in Catamarans. (Sorry Per!) S.Simon - a Captain who knows multihulls are not real boats "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...ing%20a%20Boat NH_/)_ |
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Jon,
Scroll down to the bottom of the link she gave and you'll find a list of ten reasons why this type of cruising cat is dangerous enough to make a list like this necessary. You won't find such a list on a monohull site. That should tell you something. S.Simon - a Captain who sails a man's boat "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Bull****. They're great rigs if you understand them. If you overload them, over- or under-canvass them, then they're crap. Some designs are not well thought out and are thus crap. If you sail them beyond your knowledge and skill, they're crap. But, all of this can be said for monohulls as well. It's the sailor, not the boat 99% of the time. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Only women and girly men are interested in Catamarans. (Sorry Per!) S.Simon - a Captain who knows multihulls are not real boats "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...ing%20a%20Boat NH_/)_ |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in
: S.Simon - a Captain who sails a man's boat Really? and you do it seriously, I suppose. It is a wood boat, right? Because only gurls sail tupprware.. Bertei |
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I saw the list.
Let's examine them. 1. Reduce sail early, earlier than on a monohull because without a fixed keel there is no ultimate stability except in the upside down mode. Absolutely true. Basically, it means you have a different boat that reacts differently to the conditions. After you're used to it, it's no big deal. 2. Reduce sail proportionately, most of today's cats rely on a powerful mainsail and small, non-lapping headsails. These boats don't respond well under headsail alone and can be overpowered by the main in a gale. A cat mainsail should have three deep reefs and the spar should have a track for a storm trysail. Monos should have just as many reef points. Monos don't respond well in heavy air either when carrying just a jib. 3. As on any boat, but especially in cat, be prepared to release sheets, especially the mainsheet, in an instant. During gales sheets tend to become entangled, so make a point of clearing and coiling them on every watch. Also carefully monitor chafe on all furling lines. "As on any boat..." Nothing different here about monos. 4. Consider your searoom very carefully. Cats make leeway, particularly in big seas and are not close-winded. Avoid trying to make a windward destination that might endanger the boat if you don't quite lay the mark because of excessive leeway. True, but again, this a peculiarity of cats. After you know about it, you can deal with it. 5. Don't forget the engines. Most large cats have twin diesels, well separated and they motor effectively. The engines help keep the stern in the water and can provide a boost for keeping the boat into the wind. I'd say this is an advantage over monos. Cats can also turn on their own axis in very crowded areas. Try that with a 40' mono. 6. In really wild conditions you may have no choice but to run off. In this case, I would want the option of deploying a sea anchor or parachute style anchor. I don't think there is any situation where you would want to lie ahull in a cat. I don't think there are many situations when you'd want to lie ahull in a mono. As to wild conditions, well, sure, this might be an issue. Then again, if you plan properly, it shouldn't come up. You also have the sea anchor and parachute options. 7. If you are new to multihull sailing, don't abandon your monohull instincts. A gale is still a gale, and it is almost always the water that does the damage, not the wind. Ultimately, seamanship is a matter of positioning your boat so that it rides best in the water. Seems like good advice no matter the boat. 8. Don't be afraid to change tactics if what you're trying doesn't work. However, pay close attention to tacking and jibing in heavy weather, these are times the boat is most vulnerable. Again, good advice. True for all boats. 9. Try to avoid overloading the boat. Once a cat is overloaded it loses its advantage of floating on top of the water and becomes sluggish and more of a target for angry seas. This is absolutely true. It's easy to load up a cat with all kinds of crap. I mean it looks like you have plenty of room, and a lot of people are packrats... they just have to have the second TV and the three large suitcases of clothes even though they're in the tropics. Solution: Don't overload. 10. In the end, just as a monohull always needs to carry a liferaft and go-bag when sailing offshore, you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emrgency supplies will be reachable. Actually, and advantage that helps with 9. You don't need to carry a liferaft... saves space and weight. The cat can't sink. So, all you need to do is have things available in case of the ultimately and unlikely event of a capsize. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Jon, Scroll down to the bottom of the link she gave and you'll find a list of ten reasons why this type of cruising cat is dangerous enough to make a list like this necessary. You won't find such a list on a monohull site. That should tell you something. S.Simon - a Captain who sails a man's boat "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Bull****. They're great rigs if you understand them. If you overload them, over- or under-canvass them, then they're crap. Some designs are not well thought out and are thus crap. If you sail them beyond your knowledge and skill, they're crap. But, all of this can be said for monohulls as well. It's the sailor, not the boat 99% of the time. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Only women and girly men are interested in Catamarans. (Sorry Per!) S.Simon - a Captain who knows multihulls are not real boats "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...ing%20a%20Boat NH_/)_ |
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Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range
You still haven't bought a boat? You probably never will. RB |
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papers on the trust are taking longer than expected.
So while we wait, I am grabbing all knowledge that I can from this and other groups, sites and such, so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink 2 more room 3 sails in shallow water 4 more stable on the water Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range You still haven't bought a boat? You probably never will. RB |
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"NH_/)_" wrote:
.... so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink Neither will a monohull with either bulkheads or positive flotation, and if the mono flips it will come back. Actually, it takes really bad luck and/or stupidity to flip a big cruising cat. Not a realistic concern, you should worry about being struck by a meteor first. 2 more room Depends on how you count 'room.' Most multis suffer from lack of stowage and the extra room is divided up into small compartments. Except for a few Chris White designs, I have yet to see a cruising cat that was designed for cruising (ie a small number of people aboard long term) rather than chartering or weekend partying (not that there's anything wrong with that). 3 sails in shallow water So will a properly designed mono. 4 more stable on the water Yep. Definitely a plus there. Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room 3 can't use a windvane 4 poor performance in chop (also very noisy) 5 poor performance in light air (but you'll probably be motoring anyway) but wait there's more! I always manage to PO the multi fans because I point out the lack of perfection of their craft... of course all boats are a compromise. Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical choice. For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a mono that is bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with centerboard or lifting keel, and the only thing you gain with the cat is no heeling. Fresh Breezes Doug King |
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