Pretty boat, but she's a far different animal compared
to the Allied.

that's a fact

I'm surprised she's not sold yet, but some folks shy away from
metal boats. Lots of history for that boat!

he has been trying to push that boat for several years. Even at $42k he
can't
get an offer. I couldn't imagine paying $49k for a Seawind. Four years ago
(near the height of the market) they were asking mid 20's. That one in
Florida
better be sumpin perfect and one no one else has.

Let me ask you sailors, how to value a used sailboat.
I'm the owner of the 38' S&S aluminum sloop. We priced the boat at $54k orig,
then dropped the price to $42k when we moved from OR to FL. The boat needs a
little cosmetic work and a little tlc. If the boat looked like a showroom boat,
we would be asking double the price.
The new broker wants to double the price of the boat, to attract more buyers.
Sometime low prices keep people away. Must be a piece of .... etc.
She really is a strong, safe, and fast boat.
So I ask you captains, what's a fair price for her?
Oh, the reason we are selling her is My boat is in the backyard here in FL (on
the hard) and we don't need 2!




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Minneford's built good boats, and certainly Vanguards were solid boats. A
Vanguard is longer, wider, more room, carries more sail, is very seaworthy and
goes about 25% of the asking price of that particular Seawind.


The average buyer does not usually seek out a boat built at Minnefords. They
want a boat people have heard of and one that can be resold.
Pearson Vanguards sell under 20K all the time. They also have a variety of
problems (mostly deck, such as gell peel) along with the Wanderers. The listed
Allied is 10 years newer than the average Vanguard as well.
The reputation of the Allied's is simply higher than the Vanguard. It's public
perception that commands the market.

RB


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Even at $42k he can't
get an offer. I couldn't imagine paying $49k for a Seawind. Four years ago
(near the height of the market) they were asking mid 20's.

Jax, the market is far higher now, especially for good name boats. It's
bordering on silly with very high asking prices...and people are paying. Most
of the people I know, who've traded up this year, all made money. Rough times
for the deal seeker who wants a quality boat. My own C&C is worth much more
today than she was just 5-6 years ago.

RB


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I'm the owner of the 38' S&S aluminum sloop. We priced the boat at $54k orig,
then dropped the price to $42k when we moved from OR to FL. The boat needs a
little cosmetic work and a little tlc. If the boat looked like a showroom boat,
we would be asking double the price.


You have a beautiful boat and she has good history. Your price is more than
fair, but she's a very unique boat that seeks a unique buyer. Most folks want a
"common" boat with a firm value (Pearson, Catalina, Hunter, Island Packet) and
are worried about buying a boat like yours, unless they are well schooled and
want "that" boat.
I wish you the best of luck with her and hope she finds a home soon.

Robert B
N.M. Yacht Club


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yet, Westsails are going begging on SF area for under $30k, and bunches under
$40K to $50K. Saw a decent W-32 go for $27K in Melbourne, and an undecent one
go for $19K in the keys just four months ago.

$50k for a Seawind 32 needs a numskul buyer.

Weather that arrives rapidly, leaves rapidly.


Jax, the market is far higher now, especially for good name boats. It's
bordering on silly with very high asking prices...and people are paying. Most
of the people I know, who've traded up this year, all made money. Rough times
for the deal seeker who wants a quality boat. My own C&C is worth much more
today than she was just 5-6 years ago.

RB


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yet, Westsails are going begging on SF area for under $30k, and bunches under
$40K to $50K. Saw a decent W-32 go for $27K in Melbourne, and an undecent one
go for $19K in the keys just four months ago.


Bunches? There aren't bunches of westsails available. Out of 19 listed on
Yachtworld, just 2 are below 40K and they are older examples. A really nice
Westsail usually commands in the area of 35-45K and more if it's a late 70's or
1980's boat. Smart sellers ask for more and then deal. The Allied 2 will
command mid 30s and up for a nice one. After some very good press on these
boats as classic budget blue water boats, thier price jumped. I had the chance
to buy a good one last year at 32K. I could have made another 10K just by
flipping her, but someone in Whitestone beat me to it and did exactly that.

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$50k for a Seawind 32 needs a numskul buyer.

It's an "asking" price, Jax. If it's a nice enough boat, you work on the deal.
If you owned one of these boats, you'd prefer top dollar as well. No need to
hand over a popular design at a deal price to because someone else needs a
bargain.
I just put a deal together for someone on a C&C 33. The asking price was high
and probably scared off a few folks. Too bad for them because the boat was a
true gem and the owner was willing to deal. In the end everyone was happy.
In my short time selling yachts, I've learned that asking prices are only skin
deep. You don't let them worry you if you want the boat.
Anyway, are you looking for an Allied boat?

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I just put a deal together for someone on a C&C 33.

stew's?


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I just put a deal together for someone on a C&C 33.

stew's?

No, it was a 1975, completely restored except for the standing rigging and red
awlgrip. Asking was way to high at 39K, but reflected her gear and repower. She
went for 27K because the owner liked my friend's sister! Hey, you use what you
got!

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She
went for 27K

I am aware of a decent one that went for $22k recently. Which seems a rather
better deal than a Seawind for $49k asking.

btw, I understand there are Westsail 42's coming asking for less than six
figures today. I don't follow boats of that size once I figured out that
traveling by sailboat needs only a place to sleep really. everything else is
everything else, at least while sailing. anchored for months on end is
something else.


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