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Boater wrote:
Jim wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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Boater wrote:

This from a guy whose career highlight was cleaning the heads
aboard a navy ship?

We used to send numb-nuts like you all over the ship looking for
replacements for burned out headlights.


Or a replacement fallopian tube for one of the transmitters.

Eisboch :-)

Or a bucket of ohms. Ah, the good old days.


Simple gags for simple minds.
WAFA

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On Nov 13, 8:38*am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I'll give you an example. *My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant were
freebies. *That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.

My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.

A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.

"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs than the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?

It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be prepared for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. * I'll bet the overall savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. * In major, long term illnesses, the deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.

One more time: most retirees on fixed incomes cannot afford to lay out
$2300 for necessary surgery. You're a rich retiree. Your perspective is
not relevant to retirees who are trying to decide whether to buy food or
medicine because they cannot afford both.

BS. My Dad is a retired non-union blue collar worker who is living on
a fixed income. He's had two surgeries in the last five years that
have cost him, out of pocket, more than $2300. He could afford it
because he lived within his means and socked away money while he was
working. He knew he'd have to take care of himself, and didn't expect
anyone else to do it for him.

My wife and I are doing the same, with a retirement goal set and we're
well on our way. Obama better not lay a finger on my retirement
accounts.

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On Nov 13, 2:38*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I don't consider UAW members "slobs", *but I agree with his overall
assesment.

I was a bit over the top with that. I don't really blame the workers,
they're just taking advantage of the high-paying jobs available to
them. The UAW is specifically the one to blame here, by forcing the
automakers into paying this kind of money to unskilled workers,
ultimately bringing about the death of the entire American auto
industry.

It's past time to break the unions and come back to reality. They've
outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on society as a
whole.

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On Nov 13, 10:43*am, Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 13, 8:38 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I'll give you an example. *My back operation cost $14,356 in total
which was cheap considering that the main surgeon and assistant were
freebies. *That includes room, operating room, drugs, anesthesia,
yada, yada, yada.
My copay for that was $2,300. A UAW retiree, the guy who put four
screws in the afore mentioned dashboard for his career, for that same
operation, which would have included surgeon and assistant fees
totaling about $21,000, would have been $4.
A pre-packaged Chapter1 bankruptcy would allow for restructuring the
health care provisions to something a little more reasonable.
"Restructurings" usually are much harder on the working stiffs than the
management pukes. And why should a retiree on a fixed income have to fork
over $2300 for necessary surgery?
It's called a deductable Harry, something anyone should be prepared for and
also reduces health care premiums somewhat. * I'll bet the overall savings
in premium payments by having a reasonable deductable more than covers the
$2,300 over the longer term. * In major, long term illnesses, the deductable
is usually capped on a yearly basis, last time I checked.
One more time: most retirees on fixed incomes cannot afford to lay out
$2300 for necessary surgery. You're a rich retiree. Your perspective is
not relevant to retirees who are trying to decide whether to buy food or
medicine because they cannot afford both.

BS. *My Dad is a retired non-union blue collar worker who is living on
a fixed income. *He's had two surgeries in the last five years that
have cost him, out of pocket, more than $2300. *He could afford it
because he lived within his means and socked away money while he was
working. *He knew he'd have to take care of himself, and didn't expect
anyone else to do it for him.

My wife and I are doing the same, with a retirement goal set and we're
well on our way. *Obama better not lay a finger on my retirement
accounts.

In this day and age, self sufficiency is looked upon as a social
disease. Notice the glares you get from liberals, if you mention it- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please quit lumping all liberals in one catagory. I'm liberal, and I'm
all for self sufficiency.

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:09:51 -0500, BAR wrote:


If Ford, GM and Chrysler go bankrupt then the unions are all SOL and the
companies are free to negotiate brand new contracts or maybe no
contracts with union labor. If the companies are smart they will move to
right to work states and screw the unions all together.

They are probably smarter than that.
They'll move the jobs to Mexico and China.

--Vic



Just think of the book possibilities:

"The Rise and Fall of the American Automobile Industry

..... from Henry Ford, then Unions and finally China".


Eisboch

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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:36:29 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:14:49 +0000, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:



I agree with supporting the banking system - that's a plus and a must.
What I don't agree with is supporting a manufacturing corporation who,
through it's own stupidity, got itself into a mess and now wants the
average taxpayer to bail it out.

Another positive thing about bankruptcy, the managers that took the
company down, usually don't survive. What bothers me the most about
these bailouts is, the managers that failed are still managing. AIG, for
instance, that $440,000 party, these guys just don't get it.

Well, let's not get carried away with the blame there. That "party"
was paid for by independant agents who sell AIG products. That's a
pretty standard deal. The only cost to AIG was setting up the
"seminar" if that's what you can call it.

Still, I agree - it's pretty stupid PR.

I ain't buying it.

Personally, I think Sheila Bair has the right idea - buy up all the
fluky mortgages, take a small haircut, renegotiate the terms to keep
people in their homes and gradually sell the new assets back into the
system. It's cost neutral to the taxpayer and actually has the
potential to make the taxpayer money.

That part makes sense, but is it enough? This mess seems to be spreading
into other parts of the economy. I don't mind bumpy roads, it's the
downhills that suck.

I thought it was the right idea when the market started to collapse.
Everybody takes a small haircut, assets are saved, floors are put into
the market that are sound and everybody wins.

Instead we got TARP.

Bummer. :)

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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:42:23 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


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Tough call. I don't like these bailouts, but can we afford not to? In
this country, 1 in 10 jobs are connected to the auto industry. If the
auto companies fail, we're talking depression, not recession. All of
this, could get real scary, real quick.

This may sound harsh, but I am just about convinced that we are beyond any
form of healthy avenues for recovery.
The reasons are varied and there's plenty of blame to pass around, including
the consumer. At this point though, it just doesn't matter. Assigning
blame doesn't fix the problems.

I think we may just have to bite the bullet, allow Banks, Investment firms,
GM, GMAC, Ford, Ford Motor Credit and Chrysler (whoever they are now-a-days)
to file Chapter 11 bankrupcy, reorganize and start again. That will
unfortunatly cause bankrupcies in many supporting industrys but they are
currently structured to support what exists now, not as it should be.

Everyone is jumping on the bailout bandwagon. American Express just filed
to become a bank, thereby qualifying for some of the bailout money to cover
bad accounts. That's too much. Enough.

Like a hurricane every 100 years or so, it is going to require cleaning out
the deadwood before the forests can grow again.

Damn straight.

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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:48:22 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

I still maintain that we can have our cake and eat it too. All we
need to do is switch to diesel/electric trucks and do the same for the
bigger cars. I read something the other day about GE's Evolution
diesel/electric locomotive, 12 cylinder turbo charged diesel engine
producing 6300 BHP and something like 6000 THP (traction wheel
horsepower) which can move a ridiculous amount of freight (in the
order of 50 million pounds or something like that - might even have
been higher) 6 miles on one gallon of diesel fuel.

I think you misspelled 6 gallons per mile. A diesel will typically
burn 1/3 of a pound per hour per horsepower. Or more than a ton an
hour in this case. Three hundred gallons per hour would require a
speed of 1800 MPH to get six miles per gallon. Never happen.

And it will haul only as much as 11/2 to 2 regular locos. 250 100 ton
cars? Which would come to 25 000 tons.? If the cars are 100 tons, and
a hundred feet long, the train would be almost five miles long.
Unlikely even with twenty or thirty locos.

You can't convince that the lessons learned in developing that type of
transportation power can't be used in developing a diesel/electric
capable of moving a F-350 around town efficiently. :)

Diesel electric is not particularly efficient. It allows starts with
very heavy loads without frying a clutch, which is why they use it.
It is heavy which matters with a truck.

Casady

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:40:09 -0500, tin cup wrote:

The average wage was around 58,000.00 a year.

That's misleading, benefits add at least another 20,000. That is
pretty good pay for unskiled labor, about 2 or 3 times what most
factory workers get.

It was not a defined researched absolute fact. The 58,000.00 figure
depends on who and when you here it from. That was for the general
population. I don't begrudge them the benefits.
The "college graduate" think his deploma and job to manipulate people
entitle him and only his class to a decent living.
I turned down many many college graduates for jobs because they were not
willing to learn the job or do the work. They think the piece of paper
entitles them to lead and manipulate people and not work. The majority
of these elitist attitudes can not or would not do the work. Aparently
they hire more of their kind as they advance. They have the attitude of
Wall Street where the Masters should make all the profit and the
Employees are not worthy of their hire. Let them eat cake.