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"Boater" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message
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I am going to keep my F150 thank you. Nice ride and pulls a boat and
has 4x4 for the winter. Try that with a pint sized electric car up a
long hill.

Harry had a F-150 not too long ago and often reported in this NG what a
great truck it was.

That's before he sharpened his political correctness.

Now a US made truck is crap because he owns a Japanese model.


Eisboch
I haven't owned an F150 for nearly 10 years. It was a good truck. The
Toyota truck that replaced it was better. I doubt I ever stated the
US-made truck was "crap." I have heard those sorts of allegations,
however, from SW Tom and I believe from you.


Speaking of F-150s...saw an ad in the local paper saying 2008 base trucks
could be had for a few pennies under $14K CDN.
Man...I brought it up but the wife squashed that right away. She's
rather pay twice as much for a Forester or RAV4.

My wife is "up" for new car, and I'm trying to convince her a Forester is
what she wants. It isn't working. :}

Show her the Consumer Reports ratings for small SUVs and talk her into test
driving one.
A bit underpowered and the speedo is hard to read while wearing
sunglasses...otherwise very pleasant to drive.

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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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Diesel electric is not particularly efficient. It allows starts with
very heavy loads without frying a clutch, which is why they use it.
It is heavy which matters with a truck.

Casady


It's my understanding however that a diesel is much more efficient running
at an optimized, constant RPM. A diesel/electric system is ideal for
this.

Eisboch

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Don White wrote: wrote in message
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On Nov 13, 2:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
I don't consider UAW members "slobs", but I agree with his overall
assesment.

I was a bit over the top with that. I don't really blame the workers,
they're just taking advantage of the high-paying jobs available to
them. The UAW is specifically the one to blame here, by forcing the
automakers into paying this kind of money to unskilled workers,
ultimately bringing about the death of the entire American auto
industry.

It's past time to break the unions and come back to reality. They've
outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on society as a
whole.


It's way past time to break the corporate mentality and start over.
Corporations have outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on
society.

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Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message
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I am going to keep my F150 thank you. Nice ride and pulls a boat and
has 4x4 for the winter. Try that with a pint sized electric car up a
long hill.

Harry had a F-150 not too long ago and often reported in this NG what a
great truck it was.

That's before he sharpened his political correctness.

Now a US made truck is crap because he owns a Japanese model.


Eisboch
I haven't owned an F150 for nearly 10 years. It was a good truck. The
Toyota truck that replaced it was better. I doubt I ever stated the
US-made truck was "crap." I have heard those sorts of allegations,
however, from SW Tom and I believe from you.

Speaking of F-150s...saw an ad in the local paper saying 2008 base trucks
could be had for a few pennies under $14K CDN.
Man...I brought it up but the wife squashed that right away. She's
rather pay twice as much for a Forester or RAV4.
My wife is "up" for new car, and I'm trying to convince her a Forester is
what she wants. It isn't working. :}

Show her the Consumer Reports ratings for small SUVs and talk her into test
driving one.
A bit underpowered and the speedo is hard to read while wearing
sunglasses...otherwise very pleasant to drive.


Does it have an automatic and can it be towed 4 down without modification?

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:31:21 -0500, Boater
wrote:

No, you didn't. I wasn't dumb enough to get drafted

Damn - you are such an ass sometimes.


Nothing personal, Tom. I'm just unimpressed by our entire involvement in
Vietnam, other than the horror of 55,000 American lives wasted, tens of
thousands of U.S. troops seriously injured, and millions of Asians killed
and maimed. Those losses I find tragic and impressive. The war was
a...what's that term you old soldiers like...cluster****, the dumbest war
we got involved in in the last 100 years, until our recent one against
Iraq. Blame for it goes all the way back to the SEATO treaty.

I didn't have to resist the draft, but I have friends who did. *They* were
right.


God, it must be tough to be you. You are very close to, if not *the* most
cynical, negative person I've ever listened to sprew forth their POV's.

Eisboch

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"Boater" wrote in message
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It's way past time to break the corporate mentality and start over.
Corporations have outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on
society.

Call your new leader and have him nationalize all corporations. He'll love
the idea.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:31:21 -0500, Boater
wrote:

No, you didn't. I wasn't dumb enough to get drafted
Damn - you are such an ass sometimes.

Nothing personal, Tom. I'm just unimpressed by our entire involvement in
Vietnam, other than the horror of 55,000 American lives wasted, tens of
thousands of U.S. troops seriously injured, and millions of Asians killed
and maimed. Those losses I find tragic and impressive. The war was
a...what's that term you old soldiers like...cluster****, the dumbest war
we got involved in in the last 100 years, until our recent one against
Iraq. Blame for it goes all the way back to the SEATO treaty.

I didn't have to resist the draft, but I have friends who did. *They* were
right.


God, it must be tough to be you. You are very close to, if not *the* most
cynical, negative person I've ever listened to sprew forth their POV's.

Eisboch




I should have "positive" feelings about our involvement in Vietnam? With
55,000 dead Americans, tens of thousands more seriously injured,
billions of our dollars wasted, millions of Asians dead, and nothing to
show for our "investment" there other than huge profits for the
military-industrial complex?

Hell, we didn't even learn any lessons from that debacle.

Tell me, Richard, what did we gain from that war?
What were we doing there, besides propping up a series of corrupt
right-wing dictators?

Vietnam was screwed by the French, the Japanese, the allies after WW II,
the French again, and then the Americans. All they wanted was us the
hell out of their country.

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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It's way past time to break the corporate mentality and start over.
Corporations have outlived their usefulness, and turned into leeches on
society.

Call your new leader and have him nationalize all corporations. He'll love
the idea.

Eisboch




Bush seems to be doing that via Paulson...of course, he won't tell us
where the money is going.

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"Jim" wrote in message
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Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:42:23 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

wrote in message
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Tough call. I don't like these bailouts, but can we afford not to? In
this country, 1 in 10 jobs are connected to the auto industry. If the
auto companies fail, we're talking depression, not recession. All of
this, could get real scary, real quick.
This may sound harsh, but I am just about convinced that we are beyond
any form of healthy avenues for recovery.
The reasons are varied and there's plenty of blame to pass around,
including the consumer. At this point though, it just doesn't matter.
Assigning blame doesn't fix the problems.

I think we may just have to bite the bullet, allow Banks, Investment
firms, GM, GMAC, Ford, Ford Motor Credit and Chrysler (whoever they are
now-a-days) to file Chapter 11 bankrupcy, reorganize and start again.
That will unfortunatly cause bankrupcies in many supporting industrys
but they are currently structured to support what exists now, not as it
should be.

Everyone is jumping on the bailout bandwagon. American Express just
filed to become a bank, thereby qualifying for some of the bailout
money to cover bad accounts. That's too much. Enough.

Like a hurricane every 100 years or so, it is going to require cleaning
out the deadwood before the forests can grow again.

Damn straight.


And what is your plan for the millions of workers who will lose their
jobs? Oh...I know...let them all die.

I would start by firing every member of an automaker's management team,
eliminating whatever "equity" the shareholders still have, renegotiating
all existing labor and supplier contracts, and hiring innovative
management that can begin producing world-class energy efficient cars
within two years, even if they have to buy the technology until they can
develop their own.

Screw the investors? I don't think so. Burn all labor contracts.
Fire everybody. Sell the brand an equipment to an automaker who knows how
to do business. Hire back employees that can demonstrate needed skills and
collect the union cards as they enter the work place. Start fresh and
build innovative earth friendly vehicles.

As for the employees that don't get rehired, Americans, except for Obama,
Don't just let our people die. We'll find work for them even if it means
pushing out the illegals.


Maybe they could bend and scrape, cleaning your house or picking your crops
master.