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Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that.
I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been
arrested and charged with employing illegals.


You have inside information that Wal-Mart hires illegals?

Eisboch

You probably should add the word *knowingly*.

Standby for cites from the *right* side.

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that.
I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been arrested
and charged with employing illegals.


You have inside information that Wal-Mart hires illegals?

Eisboch



Nope. Outside info:

Wal-Mart Settles Illegal Immigrant Case for $11M

Saturday , March 19, 2005

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Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT), the world's largest retailer, escaped
criminal charges when it agreed to pay $11 million, a record fine in a
civil immigration case, to end a federal probe into its use of illegal
immigrants as janitors.

Additionally, 12 businesses that provided contract janitor services to
Wal-Mart will pay $4 million in fines and plead guilty to criminal
immigration charges, officials said.

Wal-Mart's shares edged down 73 cents, or 1.4 percent, to $51.60 on the
New York Stock Exchange (search).

The deal resolves a more than four-year-long Department of Justice
(search) investigation into the employment practices of the company's
former floor-cleaning contractors.

"This case breaks new ground not only because this is a record dollar
amount for a civil immigration settlement, but because this settlement
requires Wal-Mart to create an internal program to ensure future
compliance with immigration laws by Wal-Mart contractors and by Wal-Mart
itself," said Michael J. Garcia, assistant secretary for U.S.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (search).

"We plan to use this settlement as a model for future cases and efforts
in worksite enforcement," he said.

Wal-Mart received a target letter from a grand jury in Pennsylvania and
was the subject of an October 2003 raid spanning 21 states and 60
stores. The raids led to the arrest of 245 allegedly illegal immigrants.

Wal-Mart, which has 1.2 million domestic workers, had pledged its
cooperation in the investigation.

"We are satisfied that this is being settled as a civil matter,"
Wal-Mart spokeswoman Mona Williams said. "Despite a long, thorough and
high-profile investigation, the government has not charged anyone at
Wal-Mart with wrongdoing."

No longer does Wal-Mart employ outside contractors to clean its floors.
Companies that do contract work for other chores will have stricter
rules to follow to win those contracts, and upper management will have
to approve contracts of more than $10,000, Williams said.

"It is a lot of money, but I think that is because it is designed to get
attention and remind businesses everywhere that they have a duty to
ensure their outside contractors are following federal immigration laws."

In two separate investigations, authorities uncovered the cases of an
estimated 345 illegal immigrants contracted as janitors at Wal-Mart
stores. Many of the workers worked seven days or nights a week without
overtime pay or injury compensation, attorneys said. Those who worked
nights were often locked in the store until the morning.

Wal-Mart Stores, based in Bentonville, Ark., had sales last year of
$288.19 billion.

In 2001, authorities arrested an estimated 100 illegal immigrants at
Wal-Mart stores in Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio and Missouri. Last year,
on Oct. 23, federal agents raided 60 Wal-Mart stores in 21 states,
netting 245 immigrants who were placed in deportation proceedings. ICE
said the workers came from 18 different nations, including 90 from
Mexico, 35 from the Czech Republic, 22 from Mongolia and 20 from Brazil.

Officials said at the time of the raids the investigation involved
wiretaps that revealed Wal-Mart executives were aware that the
subcontractors used illegal workers. Once the raid began, Wal-Mart told
its executives to preserve documents. Federal agents didn't wait and
moved in on part of the company's Bentonville headquarters, taking boxes
from the office of a midlevel executive.

An employer can face civil and criminal penalties for knowingly hiring
illegal immigrants or failing to comply with certain employee
record-keeping regulations. But the settlement spared Wal-Mart of any
criminal charges, though it still faces a civil suit on behalf of the
immigrants that is pending in New Jersey.

The federal settlement also directs Wal-Mart to train all current and
future store managers to prevent employing, hiring or recruiting illegal
immigrants, and to comply with ongoing investigations of cleaning
contractors previously used by the company.

Reuters and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...


Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that.
I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been arrested
and charged with employing illegals.


You have inside information that Wal-Mart hires illegals?

Eisboch



Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its
contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s.
of course.

This case is a few years old. I didn't bother to probe google too deeply:

Feds: Wal-Mart Knew About Illegals
LITTLE ROCK, Ark., Oct. 24, 2003(CBS/AP) Wal-Mart had direct knowledge
of immigration violations involving its cleaning contractors at stores
across the country, federal law enforcement sources said.

Federal agents raided Wal-Mart's headquarters and 60 of its stores
across the nation Thursday, arresting more than 300 illegal workers in
an immigration crackdown at the world's biggest retailer.

CBS News Correspondent Bob McNamara reports that federal agents borrowed
Wal-Mart's price-cutting slogan "Operation Rollback" as the working
title for the sting.

Law enforcement sources said the investigation grew out of earlier
probes of Wal-Mart cleaning crew contractors in 1998 and 2001.

Federal agents tell CBS News that two cleaning contractors are under
investigation and that undercover surveillance shows Wal-Mart executives
and store managers knew illegal immigrants were cleaning stores. A
number of Eastern Europeans are among the suspected illegals rounded up,
McNamara reports.

"We have seen no evidence of this from the INS, and, if that turns out
to be true, we will cooperate fully with law enforcement officials,"
Wal-Mart spokeswoman Mona Williams said.

The workers were arrested as they finished their night shifts at
Wal-Mart stores in 21 states. Agents also hauled away several boxes of
documents from an executive's office at Wal-Mart headquarters in
Bentonville.

An employer can face civil and criminal penalties for knowingly hiring
illegal immigrants or failing to comply with certain employee
recordkeeping regulations.

Wal-Mart Stores had sales last year of $244.5 billion. The company has
about 1.1 million employees in the United States, and it uses more than
100 third-party contractors to clean more than 700 stores nationwide,
Williams said.

"We require each of these contractors to use only legal workers," she said.

All the arrested workers were in the country illegally, said Garrison
Courtney, a spokesman with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They
were detained at local immigration offices. Those who had no criminal
record were released with instructions to appear before immigration judges.

Wal-Mart is not the first big company to be targeted in an immigration
investigation. Six managers at Tyson Foods, based one town away from
Wal-Mart in Springdale, were charged in an immigrant-smuggling case in 2001.

One defendant shot himself to death a few months after being charged,
and two managers entered guilty pleas early in the case. A jury
acquitted the poultry company and three other managers.

Ulysses A. Yannas, an analyst with the investment firm Buckman, Buckman
and Reid, said it is too much to expect Wal-Mart to keep track of all of
its vendors' workers. But he said the investigation could present a
problem for the company.

"It is a question of what else it might bring out. These are long,
drawn-out processes," Yannas said.

Top Wal-Mart officials learned of Thursday's sweep when store managers
began calling headquarters for guidance in dealing with the raids.

Courtney said agents searched the office of one of Wal-Mart's
executives. Williams, the spokeswoman, said they spent several hours in
the office of a "mid-level manager" at Wal-Mart's headquarters and
carried away several boxes of paperwork.

She said she did not know if any other Wal-Mart administrative offices
were searched.

The arrests were made at stores in Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona,
Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maryland, Michigan,
North Carolina, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma,
Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia.




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Sadly no Wal-Mart execs were arrested.

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"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that.
I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been
arrested and charged with employing illegals.


You have inside information that Wal-Mart hires illegals?

Eisboch

Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its
contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s. of
course.

This case is a few years old. I didn't bother to probe google too deeply:

Feds: Wal-Mart Knew About Illegals
LITTLE ROCK, Ark., Oct. 24, 2003(CBS/AP) Wal-Mart had direct knowledge of
immigration violations involving its cleaning contractors at stores across
the country, federal law enforcement sources said.

Federal agents raided Wal-Mart's headquarters and 60 of its stores across
the nation Thursday, arresting more than 300 illegal workers in an
immigration crackdown at the world's biggest retailer.

CBS News Correspondent Bob McNamara reports that federal agents borrowed
Wal-Mart's price-cutting slogan "Operation Rollback" as the working title
for the sting.

Law enforcement sources said the investigation grew out of earlier probes
of Wal-Mart cleaning crew contractors in 1998 and 2001.

Federal agents tell CBS News that two cleaning contractors are under
investigation and that undercover surveillance shows Wal-Mart executives
and store managers knew illegal immigrants were cleaning stores. A number
of Eastern Europeans are among the suspected illegals rounded up, McNamara
reports.

"We have seen no evidence of this from the INS, and, if that turns out to
be true, we will cooperate fully with law enforcement officials," Wal-Mart
spokeswoman Mona Williams said.

The workers were arrested as they finished their night shifts at Wal-Mart
stores in 21 states. Agents also hauled away several boxes of documents
from an executive's office at Wal-Mart headquarters in Bentonville.

An employer can face civil and criminal penalties for knowingly hiring
illegal immigrants or failing to comply with certain employee
recordkeeping regulations.

Wal-Mart Stores had sales last year of $244.5 billion. The company has
about 1.1 million employees in the United States, and it uses more than
100 third-party contractors to clean more than 700 stores nationwide,
Williams said.

"We require each of these contractors to use only legal workers," she
said.

All the arrested workers were in the country illegally, said Garrison
Courtney, a spokesman with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They were
detained at local immigration offices. Those who had no criminal record
were released with instructions to appear before immigration judges.

Wal-Mart is not the first big company to be targeted in an immigration
investigation. Six managers at Tyson Foods, based one town away from
Wal-Mart in Springdale, were charged in an immigrant-smuggling case in
2001.

One defendant shot himself to death a few months after being charged, and
two managers entered guilty pleas early in the case. A jury acquitted the
poultry company and three other managers.

Ulysses A. Yannas, an analyst with the investment firm Buckman, Buckman
and Reid, said it is too much to expect Wal-Mart to keep track of all of
its vendors' workers. But he said the investigation could present a
problem for the company.

"It is a question of what else it might bring out. These are long,
drawn-out processes," Yannas said.

Top Wal-Mart officials learned of Thursday's sweep when store managers
began calling headquarters for guidance in dealing with the raids.

Courtney said agents searched the office of one of Wal-Mart's executives.
Williams, the spokeswoman, said they spent several hours in the office of
a "mid-level manager" at Wal-Mart's headquarters and carried away several
boxes of paperwork.

She said she did not know if any other Wal-Mart administrative offices
were searched.

The arrests were made at stores in Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona,
Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maryland, Michigan, North
Carolina, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma,
Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West
Virginia.




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Sadly no Wal-Mart execs were arrested.

They were caught and the company was punished as they should have been.
What cattle prod was used on the Administration to accomplish this?

Does the law allow for charging management individuals in this type of case?

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"hk" wrote in message
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Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its
contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s.
of course.



See? Enforcing the law works.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its
contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s.
of course.



See? Enforcing the law works.

Eisboch




What the hell does wal-mart care about a bitty fine?

The CEO and other officers should have gotten jail time. A year and a day.

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"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its
contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s.
of course.



See? Enforcing the law works.

Eisboch


What the hell does wal-mart care about a bitty fine?

The CEO and other officers should have gotten jail time. A year and a day.

Are there provisions in the law for jail time?

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hk wrote:
Don White wrote:
"TJ" wrote in message
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snip....
You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich
people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or
not. Poor people can't afford lobster. I know I can't.

TJ


Lobsterman??
You've been wasting too much time listening to the Dwarfs.



I'm a lobster eater.

My mistake, I guess. "herring" said:

In any case, you shouldn't argue with Harry. Get him to take you on his
lobster boat instead.

and not having been here long, I assumed it to be accurate. Live and
learn...

TJ

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TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
Don White wrote:
"TJ" wrote in message
...
snip....
You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich
people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or
not. Poor people can't afford lobster. I know I can't.

TJ


Lobsterman??
You've been wasting too much time listening to the Dwarfs.



I'm a lobster eater.

My mistake, I guess. "herring" said:

In any case, you shouldn't argue with Harry. Get him to take you on his
lobster boat instead.

and not having been here long, I assumed it to be accurate. Live and
learn...

TJ


Nothing Herring says is accurate.