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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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I'm a lobster eater.

I used to be a lobster eater. No more. Same with crabs, founder or
any other bottom feeding whatever.

Eisboch
No shellfish? No flounder? Bad batch?



No longer worth the risk of a bad batch. I saw someone who got sick from
bad clams. Not pretty.

Eisboch




Well, I had a decision to make: either eat clams, lobsters, crabs and
flounder *or* insist that my young grandchildren race motorcycles. :)

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On Aug 20, 9:07*am, "Don White" wrote:
"TJ" wrote in message

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snip....

You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich
people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or not.

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:41:24 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
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I'm a lobster eater.


I used to be a lobster eater. No more. Same with crabs, founder or
any other bottom feeding whatever.

Eisboch

No shellfish? No flounder? Bad batch?



No longer worth the risk of a bad batch. I saw someone who got sick from
bad clams. Not pretty.

Eisboch


Oh man, I have had it twice and it is total hell.. Ended up in the
emergency room once from it. No clams for me.
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:33:15 -0400, John H. wrote:


It's cheaper too. US health care cost amount to over 15% GDP. Canada's
are less than 10% GDP.

Could it be cheaper because it's cheap?

It could be cheaper because it works more efficiently. You seem to
forget, this country isn't barbaric. We *do* pay for indigent and
uninsured health care, but it's usually at the emergency room. In this
country, the uninsured usually do not have a primary care practitioner to
deal with ailments before they become expensive problems.

And, if you mean by cheap, it is of lesser quality, you would be wrong.
By objective standards, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
countries with universal health care surpass us. We may have the best
emergency health care on this planet, but we do not have the best health
care system, just the most expensive.

Part of the cost here as opposed to other countries, is we do most of the
major medical research in this country. Other countries just ride the coat
tails and do not have the added expense, or just steal the research.

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:43:46 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:33:15 -0400, John H. wrote:


It's cheaper too. US health care cost amount to over 15% GDP. Canada's
are less than 10% GDP.

Could it be cheaper because it's cheap?

It could be cheaper because it works more efficiently. You seem to
forget, this country isn't barbaric. We *do* pay for indigent and
uninsured health care, but it's usually at the emergency room. In this
country, the uninsured usually do not have a primary care practitioner to
deal with ailments before they become expensive problems.

And, if you mean by cheap, it is of lesser quality, you would be wrong.
By objective standards, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
countries with universal health care surpass us. We may have the best
emergency health care on this planet, but we do not have the best health
care system, just the most expensive.

What happens to our statistics when you take illegal immigrants out of the
picture?
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John H

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:16:17 -0400, John H. wrote:


What happens to our statistics when you take illegal immigrants out of
the picture?

Why don't you ask a Canadian? They have the highest per capita net
immigration rate in the world, although they don't much concern
themselves with illegal immigrants.

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"hk" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:16:17 -0400, John H. wrote:


What happens to our statistics when you take illegal immigrants out of
the picture?

Why don't you ask a Canadian? They have the highest per capita net
immigration rate in the world, although they don't much concern
themselves with illegal immigrants.


Here's a better question: how many manufacturing plants and service job
companies would shut down if we took "illegal immigrants" out of the
picture?

We have so many illegals because corporations want them as cheap workers
they can exploit by paying low wages and avoiding fringe benefits.

Check out the meat packing industry. Used to provide lots of decent jobs
with good wages and bennies to American workers. Now, the labor is
performed by mostly illegals working at substandard wages. Same with
single family and townhouse construction: most of the work is done by
crews of illegals. Been to a downtown office building? Cleaned and
maintained by illegals.

And, of course, while labor charges have plummeted, the cost of services
and goods is going through the roof.

Corporate greed.

And we get to pay double. Because the illegals for the most part are not
covered by health care, when they need care they show up at the hospital
emergency room, which we all pay for directly and indirectly.

The problem with Herring is that he is simple-minded. He thinks "illegal
immigrants" are the problem, partially because he is a racist who
previously has stated his disdain for Latinos and blacks. The real reason
we have so many illegal immigrants is that corporations fight amongst
themselves to hire them.



And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some
cases, jail time.

Are you sure you are not related to Larry?

Eisboch

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:14:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:16:17 -0400, John H. wrote:


What happens to our statistics when you take illegal immigrants out of
the picture?

Why don't you ask a Canadian? They have the highest per capita net
immigration rate in the world, although they don't much concern
themselves with illegal immigrants.

???

OK.
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John H

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:16:17 -0400, John H. wrote:


What happens to our statistics when you take illegal immigrants out of
the picture?
Why don't you ask a Canadian? They have the highest per capita net
immigration rate in the world, although they don't much concern
themselves with illegal immigrants.

Here's a better question: how many manufacturing plants and service job
companies would shut down if we took "illegal immigrants" out of the
picture?

We have so many illegals because corporations want them as cheap workers
they can exploit by paying low wages and avoiding fringe benefits.

Check out the meat packing industry. Used to provide lots of decent jobs
with good wages and bennies to American workers. Now, the labor is
performed by mostly illegals working at substandard wages. Same with
single family and townhouse construction: most of the work is done by
crews of illegals. Been to a downtown office building? Cleaned and
maintained by illegals.

And, of course, while labor charges have plummeted, the cost of services
and goods is going through the roof.

Corporate greed.

And we get to pay double. Because the illegals for the most part are not
covered by health care, when they need care they show up at the hospital
emergency room, which we all pay for directly and indirectly.

The problem with Herring is that he is simple-minded. He thinks "illegal
immigrants" are the problem, partially because he is a racist who
previously has stated his disdain for Latinos and blacks. The real reason
we have so many illegal immigrants is that corporations fight amongst
themselves to hire them.



And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some
cases, jail time.

Are you sure you are not related to Larry?

Eisboch



Oh, you think it otherwise, that the meat processing industries, the
clothing industries, the homebuilding industries, the service
industries, et cetera, are not packed with "illegals"?

Where have you been?