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On Aug 21, 12:37 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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BTW, you are projecting your experience and not considering everyone
else's. I've worked with and for unions since 1971, I think, and have
been
out on dozens and dozens of organizing drives, and been involved in
campaigns that lasted days, weeks, months, and in one case, more than a
year. All manner of employees, too...white collar, blue collar and
mixed,
and not easy work in the sort of anti-worker, anti-union country this
is.

Well, if nothing else, this little exchange has been enlightening. I can
see now where and how many of your beliefs and opinions come from. With
all due respect (and I mean that) I think your experiences has resulted in
a bit of narrow mindedness.

Unions aren't for everybody. In fact, they aren't for most.

Eisboch

But you've got to understand, if Harry thinks they are good, then that
means they are good for everyone, and everyone better damned well get
with the program, just ask him. If you don't agree with him 100%,
he'll start calling you names and telling lies about you.
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Doubtful. Harry gives me the same respect I give him. Maybe sometimes a
little more.
Try it sometime. It works.

Eisboch

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On Aug 21, 1:23*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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On Aug 21, 12:37 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:





"hk" wrote in message

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BTW, you are projecting your experience and not considering everyone
else's. I've worked with and for unions since 1971, I think, and have
been
out on dozens and dozens of organizing drives, and been involved in
campaigns that lasted days, weeks, months, and in one case, more than a
year. All manner of employees, too...white collar, blue collar and
mixed,
and not easy work in the sort of anti-worker, anti-union country this
is.

Well, if nothing else, this little exchange has been enlightening. I can
see now where and how many of your beliefs and opinions come from. With
all due respect (and I mean that) I think your experiences has resulted in
a bit of narrow mindedness.

Unions aren't for everybody. In fact, they aren't for most.

Eisboch

But you've got to understand, if Harry thinks they are good, then that
means they are good for everyone, and everyone better damned well get
with the program, just ask him. If you don't agree with him 100%,
he'll start calling you names and telling lies about you.
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Doubtful. *Harry gives me the same respect I give him. *Maybe sometimes a
little more.
Try it sometime. *It works.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

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I do. I give Harry the same respect he give me.
The only difference is, I absolutely refuse to cave into his many,
many lies.
If you and others here want to believe things like a fireboat welcome
in NYC, be my guest!

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Union organizers typically do not go onto the premises unless management
invites them. Being invited, however, is not that unusual in the
construction trades, especially at the smaller subcontractor shops,
because typically the owner of the shop was and is a union member himself,
and most unions allow the non-union owners and white collar employees of
such operations to participate in the health insurance program.

The guys who visited your site were in error. They should have put flyers
on the windshields of those worker cars on public property, or handed out
flyers while on public property to workers leaving their shifts.

Your "Big Ed" was out of line, too, by the way.




"Big Ed" got a round of applause and a few high 5's from many of the other
shop employees.
A good shop is self-policing. Management usually doesn't need to get
involved.

If successful, those union guys would have wiped out the company, causing
many others to suffer.

Eisboch




The company would have been wiped out if a few guys left for better wages?

snerk

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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BTW, you are projecting your experience and not considering everyone
else's. I've worked with and for unions since 1971, I think, and have been
out on dozens and dozens of organizing drives, and been involved in
campaigns that lasted days, weeks, months, and in one case, more than a
year. All manner of employees, too...white collar, blue collar and mixed,
and not easy work in the sort of anti-worker, anti-union country this is.


Well, if nothing else, this little exchange has been enlightening. I can
see now where and how many of your beliefs and opinions come from. With
all due respect (and I mean that) I think your experiences has resulted in
a bit of narrow mindedness.

Unions aren't for everybody. In fact, they aren't for most.

Eisboch



I agree that union membership isn't everyone. There are lots of
Americans who prove their rugged anti-union individuality every day by
working for crappy wages without benefits in unsafe conditions. :)

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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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On Aug 21, 12:37 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

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BTW, you are projecting your experience and not considering everyone
else's. I've worked with and for unions since 1971, I think, and have
been
out on dozens and dozens of organizing drives, and been involved in
campaigns that lasted days, weeks, months, and in one case, more than a
year. All manner of employees, too...white collar, blue collar and
mixed,
and not easy work in the sort of anti-worker, anti-union country this
is.
Well, if nothing else, this little exchange has been enlightening. I can
see now where and how many of your beliefs and opinions come from. With
all due respect (and I mean that) I think your experiences has resulted in
a bit of narrow mindedness.

Unions aren't for everybody. In fact, they aren't for most.

Eisboch

But you've got to understand, if Harry thinks they are good, then that
means they are good for everyone, and everyone better damned well get
with the program, just ask him. If you don't agree with him 100%,
he'll start calling you names and telling lies about you.
----------------------------------------------

Doubtful. Harry gives me the same respect I give him. Maybe sometimes a
little more.
Try it sometime. It works.

Eisboch




You read Loogy's posts?

Wait until I call the Amity Alums!

:)

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"hk" wrote in message
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The company would have been wiped out if a few guys left for better wages?

snerk

The "few" guys would represent half of the welding/fabrication shop. We
only had about 45 employees total at the time and that included management,
administrative, engineering, design, electrical, controls and machinists.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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The company would have been wiped out if a few guys left for better wages?

snerk

The "few" guys would represent half of the welding/fabrication shop. We
only had about 45 employees total at the time and that included management,
administrative, engineering, design, electrical, controls and machinists.

Eisboch




Well, that's a management problem, right?

I mean, if American corporations are free to dive to the bottom in terms
of layoffs, pay reductions, and benefit cuts, employees should be free
to jump with their feet.

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"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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The company would have been wiped out if a few guys left for better
wages?

snerk

The "few" guys would represent half of the welding/fabrication shop. We
only had about 45 employees total at the time and that included
management, administrative, engineering, design, electrical, controls and
machinists.

Eisboch


Well, that's a management problem, right?

I mean, if American corporations are free to dive to the bottom in terms
of layoffs, pay reductions, and benefit cuts, employees should be free to
jump with their feet.


Good grief. Our guys booted them out the door. Don't you get it?

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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The company would have been wiped out if a few guys left for better
wages?

snerk
The "few" guys would represent half of the welding/fabrication shop. We
only had about 45 employees total at the time and that included
management, administrative, engineering, design, electrical, controls and
machinists.

Eisboch

Well, that's a management problem, right?

I mean, if American corporations are free to dive to the bottom in terms
of layoffs, pay reductions, and benefit cuts, employees should be free to
jump with their feet.


Good grief. Our guys booted them out the door. Don't you get it?





It's not unusual for workers who are afraid of management to behave that
way, eh?

I'm not saying that was the case at your place, but it isn't unusual.

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"hk" wrote in message
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It's not unusual for workers who are afraid of management to behave that
way, eh?



Heard that line many times before. You aren't even original.

Eisboch