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Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. :)



I am now on the boat sniffing the dining area table to see if it stinks.

It might not be the Formica.

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On Aug 19, 11:43*am, wrote:
On Aug 19, 11:32*am, Short Wave Sportfishing





wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:51:33 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
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Wow...Bert still posts here, and is still advocating for greed. *What a
surprise.

Until you had reposted his post, Richard, I thought he had disappeared
entirely.

Good filtering... * :)

Here's a good, rainy day read for you ....

http://tinyurl.com/6jx5k4

Oh crap - you just had to bring that up didn't you?

Too much of neo-liberal/Democratic party politics is tied up in the
outmoded ideas of race and cultural identity. *There is no shortage of
politicians willing to stoke fears of racial backsliding in order to
keep voting coalitions intact.

Those with leftist tendencies — like Harry - *are constantly trying to
“remind” us how racist we still are, as a society, and how necessary
igovernment protection is against "institutional" racism and
multicultural nonsense that now permeates every venue of American
life.

A move back toward individualism is anathema to progressive politics,
particularly as such a movement would weaken established coalition
paradigms.

The most damage being done by progressivism takes place in the schools
where identification "communal" principles, "fairness" and
non-competitive status of grades makes it difficult for those who’ve
been indoctrinated to break free of the structure of liberal race and
cultural ideology.

In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
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Remind me to tell you about the week my wife and the Mouse spent with
our oldest in DC, she is a masters from American Univerisity. She
lives a very unique minimalist lifestyle, as did I when I was her age.
but her intolerance for those who did not understand of accept the
lifestyle was intolerant, to the point of being downright mean... * My
girls learned a lot down there about the "collective" and how those
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Oh, yes, Harry is one of the worst offenders of the if I don't have
it, it isn't worth having, if I have it, you should too syndrome.

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On Aug 19, 9:23*am, hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:

So what? The point is, the Norwegians are using their national wealth
properly, to ensure that all Norwegians have the necessities and a
strong social net to help out when they need help.

In this country, our national wealth is used to make the wealthy
wealthier.

We're sliding downhill in this country. A growing number of Americans,
millions of Americans, are losing their jobs, their health care, their
houses, their retirement, their futures.

But the rich...they are getting richer.

I won't be around to see it, but at some point in the future, there
will be heads on pikes in this country, literally or figuratively.

Why is it that you hate the rich so much? We need them! Have you ever
asked a poor person to give you a job? No, wait. You wouldn't. You want
everybody to work for the government. That way, nobody's rich but the
politicians.

TJ

You are way, way, way over your head. Here's a suggestion: play with Loogy.



That's pretty cowardly, even of you Harry. Make sure you hide real
good behind your filter, low life loser.

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On Aug 19, 8:56*am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
hk wrote:

I won't be around to see it, but at some point in the future, there will
be heads on pikes in this country, ****literally***** or figuratively.

You do have some weird dreams.

Harry thinks everyone has evolved at a rate as slow as he has.

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:03:23 -0400, BAR wrote:

hk wrote:
wrote:


Remind me to tell you about the week my wife and the Mouse spent with
our oldest in DC, she is a masters from American Univerisity. She
lives a very unique minimalist lifestyle, as did I when I was her age.
but her intolerance for those who did not understand of accept the
lifestyle was intolerant, to the point of being downright mean... My
girls learned a lot down there about the "collective" and how those
involved look at the rest of us who don't subscribe.


Don't subscribe to what?

A minimalist lifestyle?

Each individual should be able to choose the life they want to live.

And I feel the same way. The problem comes when you expect someone who
does not, to live it. Like expecting your guest to "make some food"
when you have nothing in your cabinet at all written in english, or
expecting a nearly 50yo office worker to keep up a 6 mile speed walk
with 60 pounds of suitcases, walk 30 yards ahead, and complain that
someone that age "should be ableto keep up"... and not offer to carry
one of the bags.. Tell the mouse that living in a basement apt, with
no TV, recognizable food, no microwave, no windows.. only NPR on the
radio that "you are too old to be homesick". It was not the minimalist
lifestyle that was the problem, it was the refusal to accept that
others, especially guests, might not be as comfortale with it. It was
the idea that her lifestyle was superior, and my girls should just
like it, and live it, right then, to the point of being condecending
when they did not understand.. Elite liberalism, at it's best.. I love
my kid, hope she comes around soon, but for now her total intolerance
physically hurt my wife, and totally turned the mouse off to higher
education...

Nothing wrong with that.

Does she have health insurance?

It is a choice. Why is health insurance a requirement?


If not, who pays when she needs medical care or prescriptions?

She should pay when she needs medical care or prescriptions.

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SmallBoats.com wrote:
they want to live.

And I feel the same way. The problem comes when you expect someone who
does not, to live it. Like expecting your guest to "make some food"
when you have nothing in your cabinet at all written in english, or
expecting a nearly 50yo office worker to keep up a 6 mile speed walk
with 60 pounds of suitcases, walk 30 yards ahead, and complain that
someone that age "should be ableto keep up"... and not offer to carry
one of the bags.. Tell the mouse that living in a basement apt, with
no TV, recognizable food, no microwave, no windows.. only NPR on the
radio that "you are too old to be homesick". It was not the minimalist
lifestyle that was the problem, it was the refusal to accept that
others, especially guests, might not be as comfortale with it. It was
the idea that her lifestyle was superior, and my girls should just
like it, and live it, right then, to the point of being condecending
when they did not understand.. Elite liberalism, at it's best.. I love
my kid, hope she comes around soon, but for now her total intolerance
physically hurt my wife, and totally turned the mouse off to higher
education...


If you are describing your eldest daughter's lifestyple, it certainly
does not sound like "elite liberalism" to me. What is sounds like it
mental illness. I doubt your daughter is a modern-day transcendentalist,
trying for a remake of "Walden."

I also doubt her education at The American University was the cause. If
your younger daughter thinks that is the case, you and your wife ought
to steer her in the right direction, because without a "higher
education," she's going nowhere unless she gets into a union
apprenticeship program with the electricians or plumbers.

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Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. :)



I am now on the boat sniffing the dining area table to see if it stinks.

Eisboch




That smell might be...your old sneakers... :)

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Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.

--Vic

There's a difference between simply "having" universal care and having
"good" universal care.
I haven't heard too many of our northern neighbors bragging about the
quality of their health care system.

Eisboch




My reading of the various serious proposals indicates that the direction
being sought is a non-governmental duplicate of the FEHBA program
available to federal employees, with health insurance being offered by a
wide variety of insurers, with prices and features to suit various
pocketbooks, but with at least minimal coverage in all cases. The goal
is the availability of universal coverage, NOT a universal, single
"care" program.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.

--Vic

There's a difference between simply "having" universal care and having
"good" universal care.
I haven't heard too many of our northern neighbors bragging about the
quality of their health care system.

Eisboch

Depends what's wrong with you.
Having a heart attack?... you're probably as well off up here as Stateside.
Need a knee or hip replacement........ be prepared to wait.
We have American visitors continually sending letters to our local paper
amazed at the quality of care they received while taken ill here.
(maybe they expected much worse)
As I see it, our system works pretty good most of the time but could be much
better if the federal gov't paid their fair share.
Small, poorer provinces with aging populations , like Nova Scotia, struggle
with the financial burden.
This is worstened by having the US next door offering much better
salaries/incomes for doctors, nurses and other health professionals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Health_Act

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:14:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .


In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. :)

I am now on the boat sniffing the dining area table to see if it stinks.

ROTFL!!!